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Re: Signed HTTP Exchanges use case

From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:03:00 +1100
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Hi Phil,

I don't see how a signed exchange is going to give you what you want here.

If I understand your scenario, the client has two things that are trustworthy: the (low entropy) number from the product, and a root CA store.  It also has an address of a resolver, but we don't necessarily trust that.

A signed exchange can be used by the operator of a site (any site) to produce information about its own origin.  But here the thing that the app is using is the combination of the resolver address and the number.  None of that establishes any expectation about the identity of the manufacturer.

If the identity of the manufacturer were known, then you might be able to do something about attesting to the relationship between a given page (this is recipes for this device) and the device itself, anchored in the identity of the manufacturer.

With the information you have, nothing can be signed except for content that the resolver controls.  And you've stated that the resolver is not necessarily trusted in this interaction.

--Martin

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, at 03:47, Phil Archer wrote:
> Dear Jeffrey,
> 
> My colleagues at GS1 and I have been looking at your Signed HTTP
> Exchanges work which looks like a good fit for a use case we have - but
> I need to do a sanity check, please. Here's a simple example of the kind
> of use case we're tackling:
> 
> I scan a barcode on a product using a mobile phone app.
> 
> The app adds the scanned number (we call it the GTIN) into a template
> URL https://example.com/gtin/{gtin}.
> 
> example.com is a server that conforms to a GS1 standard (that we're
> writing at the moment) and redirects the request to a resource on the Web.
> 
> Given that anyone can build and operate a GS1 conformant resolver, we
> need a method of distinguishing between a redirection link authorised by
> the product manufacturer and any other link a resolver might offer.
> 
> Adding just a little complexity, actually we want resolvers to offer
> multiple links with link relation types like "recipeWebsite" and
> "instructionManual" - and those links will be exposed in an HTTP Link
> header.
> 
> It looks as if your Internet Draft provides exactly the kind of thing we
> need - the ability for a brand to sign that HTTP exchange, saying "yes,
> we authorised these links" - even though they're not the ones operating
> the resolver.
> 
> If it is the case that your I-D is a suitable method for achieving this,
> would you consider adding a further use case to that effect in Appendix A?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Phil
> 
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