- From: Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com>
- Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:25:42 -0800
- To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
- Cc: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Adrien de Croy <adrien@qbik.com>, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob@appelbaum.net>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Cory Benfield <cory@lukasa.co.uk>, Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com>, Amos Jeffries <squid3@treenet.co.nz>, httpbis mailing list <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Let’s terminate this thread *please*. It simply is not relevant to the HTTP WG. Phil > On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: > > -------- > In message <5664CDDB.4070108@cs.tcd.ie>, Stephen Farrell writes: > >> Please look at the ~1000 messages in the ietf@ietf.org archive on >> the topic of that draft. Please consider the (video or whatever >> form of reporting you prefer of the) technical plenary at IETF-88 >> with about 1000 people in the room who also expressed that same >> consensus. (Albeit less precisely, which was the point of getting >> the RFC done.) > > The goals to be aimed for should certainly be a consensus decision, > and such "wide" processes are the norm: General assemblies and > political party congresses etc. > > BCP188 is typical for the outcome of such "wide" processes, and > similar lofty ambitions and language can be found in pretty much > any party or NGO platform document anywhere in the world. > > The actual strategy for getting to those goals is usually laid down > by a much smaller group, taking into account the realities of the > battles to be fought and the relative strengths and weaknesses of > the opposition to be overcome. > > IETF does not seem to have done that. > > There are many valid and sound arguments why IETF should not or > even can not have a "central committee" or "leadership" of kind > which usually responsible for laying the strategy. > > But lacking both leadership and strategy makes IETF, as organization, > totally unsuited to take on all the worlds governments in a fight > to win a basic human right of privacy. > > ...which is what BCP188 attempts to commit IETF to do. > > Amnesty International and similar human rights organizations would > be much better vehicles than IETF can ever be. > > Poul-Henning > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. >
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