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Re: Feedback on TCP Fast Open?

From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:15:29 +0200
To: "William Chan (?????????)" <willchan@chromium.org>
Cc: "Scharf, Michael (Michael)" <michael.scharf@alcatel-lucent.com>, "ietf-http-wg@w3.org" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, "tcpm@ietf.org" <tcpm@ietf.org>
Message-ID: <20130802141529.GA30308@1wt.eu>
Hi William,

On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 06:51:31AM -0700, William Chan (?????????) wrote:
> The short of it is, for vanilla HTTP, it's unclear how beneficial it would
> be for us since we already have such gains for browser preconnect (our
> browser feature that learns from past web browsing to speculatively
> establish connections, typically just TCP connections but perhaps doing a
> TLS or other handshakes too as needed).

That's pretty interesting. Is this already enabled by default ? I'm asking
because I've got several users of haproxy report me that their web site was
regularly "attacked" by many connections in which no request is sent, and
that because of this they had to increase the number of concurrent connections
otherwise they can't stand the load. I asked if they thought it could be
something like a bug in some JS application or something like this as I was
no aware of the preconnect feature. It's been a bit hard to analyse, since
they see no request, they can't get any information on the user agent for
example. The thing is that it does not look like a regular attack since the
load is more or less constant, and not very high. So till now it was always
possible to work around this by increasing the connection limits 2-10 times.

But now I'm thinking that *if it was a preconnect behaviour*, there could
possibly be some harm there. I have no idea how many connections a browser
can send to recently visited sites, but for sites which use a short keep-alive
timeout to limit the concurrency, having a significant increase on the number
of concurrent connections can be a problem.

Note that I'm talking using a conditional form, as I can't provide evidence
for this to be related to a preconnect feature, but your description really
matches what I observed, and I am really wondering about the risks and
possibile impacts based on something that could appear related. If the
increase in connection count may be significant for small sites, then maybe
TFO could be a decent alternative (though it will clearly not pass through
every firewall).

Best regards,
Willy
Received on Friday, 2 August 2013 14:16:01 UTC

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