- From: Peter L <bizzbyster@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:36:47 -0400
- To: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
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" Prioritization is key in efficiently utilizing any for of parallel-requests. It happens to be much, much more difficult if you're using separate connections because there is no guarantee that they go to the same machine. As a result, your background image gets to clog the pipe instead of your browser getting the HTTP and JS it needs to do initial layout, rendering, and resource discovery." The fact that SPDY enables the browser to tag a request as high priority when in fact a resource is blocking is awesome. This should be built into HTTP 2.0 with or without the multiplexing piece. It allows either SPDY server, or other intermediaries in the network (assuming the HTTP is not opaque) that are doing shaping to make better decisions. And only the browser has this information. 1 connection means that it becomes trivial to do prioritization properly. I know that it was argued that 1 connection makes it more difficult because there is buffering and you can't revoke a write() to a socket. Experience so far hasn't bourne this fear out, and even if it was true, if you can get some idea about the depth of your buffer, you can pace your output to ensure that you're never adding too much buffer-depth at any point in time. Have you done much testing with packet loss? As expressed earlier, my biggest concern is head-of-line blocking when low priority objects are at the head of the line. But it makes sense that you could mitigate this somewhat by making sure you don't buffer too much in the network. Also, the approach I like of allowing a larger pool of persistent connections per domain increases the likelihood that a SYN or SYN-ACK will be dropped, which results in the disastrous 3 second reconnect delay. Re: no decoder plugin for wireshark. "Seems like a fine tradeoff for the latency savings that we get on low-BW links, though." I agree if SPDY could be applied to problematic links only. Otherwise it's a lot to give up if you spend your days troubleshooting networks and application performance. "Again, multiplexing as it has been done with SPDY, since it is on one connection, requires less synchronization than it does for HTTP (the kernel has to do synchronization of various interactions as you increase the FD count) to handle the increased parallelism. Even in the case where you decide to use more than a constant number of threads per core (anything else will suffer in throughput compared to that design on current kernels, hardware from my experience), you will still have less contention because you can manage it yourself with domain knowledge about the connection, user, problem, method, etc. that the kernel isn't privy to and should probably never be privy to." Are you saying a SPDY-enabled web server outperforms one without SPDY for a given web page b/c it converts many TCP connections into a single connection and this actually decreases kernel level thread contention more than the contention added by SPDY's user mode serialization logic? I wonder if this is what the adopters (Google and Twitter) have found so far. Thanks, Peter On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Brian Pane <brianp@brianp.net> wrote: On Friday, March 30, 2012, Peter L wrote: Responding to Ross and Brian's posts mainly here... I agree that increasing concurrent connections will increase the burden on web servers and that is a serious issue for sure but since so many sites are already working around the 6 per domain limit via sharding, most site owners are willing to accept higher numbers of TCP connections if it results in faster page loads. Prevalence of domain sharding is a kind of vote in the direction of increasing the per domain limit. What I've found empirically is that most sites suffer from request serialization--i.e., insufficient parallelism--despite all the investment in domain sharding and image spriting. My article in last December's PerfPlanet calendar presents the data. Prioritization is key in efficiently utilizing any for of parallel-requests. It happens to be much, much more difficult if you're using separate connections because there is no guarantee that they go to the same machine. As a result, your background image gets to clog the pipe instead of your browser getting the HTTP and JS it needs to do initial layout, rendering, and resource discovery. 1 connection means that it becomes trivial to do prioritization properly. I know that it was argued that 1 connection makes it more difficult because there is buffering and you can't revoke a write() to a socket. Experience so far hasn't bourne this fear out, and even if it was true, if you can get some idea about the depth of your buffer, you can pace your output to ensure that you're never adding too much buffer-depth at any point in time. Transparency: . SPDY compresses HTTP headers using an LZ history based algorithm, which means that previous bytes are used to compress subsequent bytes. So any packet capture that does not include all the traffic sent over that connection will be completely opaque -- no mathematical way to decode the HTTP. Even with all the traffic, a stream decoder will be a tricky thing to build b/c packets depend on each other. I know there's a SPDY decoder plugin for Wireshark, but I'll defer to people more knowledgeable about packet analysis tools to cover that area. The OP is right about this, btw. Technically it is possible that you've flushed the window after 2k of completely new data, but there is no guarantee and so interpreting a stream in the middle may be extremely difficult. Seems like a fine tradeoff for the latency savings that we get on low-BW links, though. . Loss of transparency impacts intermediary devices (reverse proxies, caches, layer 7 switches, load balancers) as much as it does packet capture analysis. For load balancing, multiplexing requires maintaining state from one request to the next so individual object requests from a given user will need to be handled by the same de-multiplexing server. For load balancing, you just have to ensure that all packets from the same TCP connection go to the same place for L6-7 decoding. But that's already required for HTTP/1.x. A L7 proxy or load balancer that terminates either HTTP or SPDY is then free to dispatch successive requests from the same client to different backend servers. Note that 'the same place' probably means the same IP, but there is no assurance that the same IP will mean the same machine or network adapter. With multiplexing over TCP (or any equivalent like SCTP), you're either guaranteed or at least much more likely to get locality for that user on one loadbalancer or machine. Using fewer connections decreases vastly the amount of state necessary to do proper demux to the right server, and, as noted before, allows the LB or server to trivially do prioritization. In general, increasing session orientation reduces the scalability of the overall service. Also, failover is less graceful as a load balancer will want to be more sure that the previously used server is in fact unavailable before routing to a new server. . SSL kills transparency at the network level completely but also I think that SSL should be considered as an orthogonal thing to performance. So that site owners can make a decision based on the cost, security, performance tradeoffs of going to all encrypted traffic. So while I agree it's related, it seems like we have to consider these things independently. Increased Object Processing Latency: . Multiplexing requires that objects are encoded serially -- encode (Object1), encode (Object2), encode (Object3) -- and then decoded in that same order. Object1, Object2, and Object3 need not be entire HTTP messages, though. In SPDY, unlike pipelined HTTP/1.1, a server can interleave little chunks of different responses. That's what I consider SPDY's key design concept: not just multiplexing, but interleaving. Multiplexing doesn't have any effect on encoding/decoding unless you're using something requires serialization (such as the gzip compressor in SPDY). In the case of SPDY, if you can jettison the header-stream compression or better, find some compression method that doesn't have as stringent a compression requirement, you can avoid this issue. Note anyway that the serialization requirement that gzip imposes in SPDY only affects the headers, and not the data for the request or response. On a multi-core server, the three objects arrive truly concurrently, but due to multiplexing Object2 and Object3 will need to wait while Object1 is encoded. For SPDY, that encode step involves running an LZ-type coding function including searching the recent bytes for matches so even on an unloaded server this can add ~milliseconds of latency. The last time I looked at gzip perf, the cost was on the order of 50 clock cycles/byte on x86_64. (Anybody who's studied LZ perf more deeply, please jump in with more precise numbers.) Given 1KB of response headers, that works out to ~25 microseconds of latency at 2GHz, not milliseconds. Having worked at a load balancer company in the past, I do agree that 25us is a material CPU cost, but it's nowhere near milliseconds. . Multiplexing creates the need for session state. Access to this state needs to be synchronized, thread synchronization reduces parallelism and so impacts server scalability and per object latency. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. One need not always resort to critical-section based synchronization. You could use epoll() instead, for instance, and process the client's connection within on thread. . CPU gains are increasingly achieved by adding cores and not making existing cores go faster. So processes that can run concurrently are friendly to these advances (such as increasing concurrent TCP connections) and multiplexing goes in the opposite direction -- requiring thread synchronization and so increasing serialization, and context switching. With separate connections, though, you still have a serialization bottleneck at the NIC. The locking neede to serialized writes to the network doesn't go away if you forego multiplexing in favor of lots of connections; it just moves to the other side of the kernel/userspace boundary. Most of the improvements you would see here for the multi-CPU case should come in the form of multiqueue NICs which hash based on the TCP tuple (or similar) and stably select a queue which feeds a non-overlapping subset of CPUs to do processing of interrupts, etc. Again, multiplexing as it has been done with SPDY, since it is on one connection, requires less synchronization than it does for HTTP (the kernel has to do synchronization of various interactions as you increase the FD count) to handle the increased parallelism. Even in the case where you decide to use more than a constant number of threads per core (anything else will suffer in throughput compared to that design on current kernels, hardware from my experience), you will still have less contention because you can manage it yourself with domain knowledge about the connection, user, problem, method, etc. that the kernel isn't privy to and should probably never be privy to. -=R -Brian
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