- From: Eran Hammer-Lahav <eran@hueniverse.com>
- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:45:31 -0700
- To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
- CC: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
On 02/12/2008, at 5:38 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > On 02/12/2008, at 6:33 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > >> > >> 1. Introduction > >> > >> This document defines typed link relations, independent of the > >> context they occur in. It does so by clarifying the status of the > > > > I think 'context' needs to be clarified to mean 'content type' or > > 'transport'. Without the next sentence, this seems to imply that > > instances of the Link header are not context-sensitive, which they > > are (resource, representation, etc.). > > I'm not sure what you're getting at here; this sentence isn't talking > about the Link header at all... Link header is just one instance of 'typed link relations'. The first time read this, before reading the next sentence, I was a bit confused as to what you meant by 'context'. It might just be my expectations from reading the previous draft which was about Link headers. > >> The context of links conveyed in the Link header field is the > >> representation that the header is part of. > > > > This makes sense since the header is provided in the context of the > > representation. However, is there a way to indicate that a link is > > persistent across representations and is not representation- > > specific? Do 404 and 303 considered representations? > > *sigh* this is the tricky bit; HTTPbis has at least one open issue on > this. I believe the current position is that all messages have > entities, and all entities are representations, the trick being that > the representation isn't always of the resource which the request was > sent to; sometimes it's an "anonymous" representation. For my use cases, I can live with the application specifying how this should be handled. > >> Each link-value MUST have at least one "rel" or "rev" parameter > >> whose > >> value indicates the relation type. If the "rel" parameter is > used, > >> it indicates that the link's direction for that relation type is > >> outbound; if the "rev" parameter is used, the given relation > type's > >> direction is inbound. > > > > Is 'rev' considered as authoritative as 'rel' (as in, 'type' is non- > > authoritative, just a hint)? Forward looking links using 'rel' are > > clearly authoritative as they indicate the view-point of the > > resource, which has the authority to declare its own perceive links > > to other resources. However, 'rev' can go both ways. It seems to be > > semantically equivalent to an identical 'rel' coming from the linked > > resource. For example: > > > > Resource A: Link: <http://example.com/b>; rel="friend" > > Resource B: Link: <http://example.com/a>; rev="friend" > > > > If the two are semantically identical, 'rev' must be non- > > authoritative as it serves as a hint as to what another resource > > view the relationship as: "A declares B to be <<its friend>>, B > > hints that A <<declares B its friend>>". However, if 'rev' is meant > > to be authoritative, the two links above cannot be semantically the > > same, as they read: "A declares B to be <<its friend>>, B declares > > that A <<consider it a friend>>". The question is, is 'rev' simply > > an implied 'rel' from the other direction (and so, non- > > authoritative), or 'rev' is a reverse "opinion" of 'rel' which is > > completely relative to the resource regardless of any actual 'rel' > > from the other direction (and so, authoritative). > > This draft isn't attempting to establish a framework for semantics or > trust, and I'm tempted to take out anything that might imply this... I think at a minimum it needs to clearly define the relationship between 'rel' and 'rev'. This is why I liked it better when 'rev' was dropped. If you only have 'rel', you can express 'rev' with another 'rel' value, and that will solve my issue. If you keep both, I can't see how you can avoid explaining their relationship to one another as listed in the example above. EHL
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