Re: Logout

So, "cookies win" because :

    - iis and netscape's support for http authentication are generally lousy

    - http-authentication standard has somehow "slipped" and has been
overlooked in each successive version

    - the "cookie standard" has progressed quickly and supports all of the
things that regular authentication should have supported a long time ago:

        - passing a "server key" to be added to the digest, which can then
be expired on the server
        - setting expiration times

                                            - Erik

----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Morris" <>
To: "Erik Aronesty" <>
Cc: "Tom McLaren" <>; <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Logout

> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Erik Aronesty wrote:
> > The site cannot easily know whether or not the request was coming from
> > cache or the client... unless the cache tells it.
> >
> > Thus the server always relys on a "third party" (the browser or the
> > cache)... to manage or respect authentication "state".
> >
> > It's just an oversight that cookies are "expirable" (they have timeouts
> > they can be forced by the server to expire) and usernames/passwords
> >
> > In a way, "cookies" are "more secure" than the security mechanisms built
> > into http.
> Except that as V1 cookies are implemented, once you set an expiration,
> even short on a cookie, it is written to the user's hard drive.  An
> immediate exposure which to me negates any value in a timeout.
> What makes cookies more secure is that they can be used via a random
> opaque token as the value to create a server side notion of a session
> which can have expirations, sliding timeouts, re-authentication, etc. And
> if an application logout button is clicked, the cookie can be totally
> reset by client side javascript OR a serverside update.
> I've led a number of teams building web based applications and have never
> found http level authentication worth using. The user experience is
> confusing at best, the server side authentication processing excessively
> complex, error handling impossible to control, etc. It takes writing your
> own web server or complex ISAPI/NSAPI exits to control the interaction
> with application authentication mechanisms.
> So again cookies win.
> Dave Morris

Received on Wednesday, 3 January 2001 18:25:50 UTC