- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:36:06 -0500
- To: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>
- Cc: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>, "'Jean-Jacques Moreau'" <jean-jacques.moreau@crf.canon.fr>, xml-dist-app@w3.org
I agree with Mark. There are many situations in which a SOAP envelope is
modeled as being of media type application/soap+xml, but in which the
model used is not REST, and the term "representation" is thus more
confusing than helpful.
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Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>
02/04/2003 09:32 PM
To: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>
cc: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com, "'Jean-Jacques Moreau'"
<jean-jacques.moreau@crf.canon.fr>, xml-dist-app@w3.org
Subject: Re: What is a SOAP Message
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 02:48:58PM -0800, David Orchard wrote:
> While I can't see
> where REST speaks about binding to protocols being in the definition of
> representations, it also doesn't appear to preclude this. REST talks
about
> representations being the transfer of application state.
Right, representations are serializations of application state. But
everything is not a representation. For example, any SOAP envelope with
a method in it is not a representation.
For at least one use of SOAP - the so-called "chameleon" use - it
appears that what you call a "SOAP representation" is indeed a
representation. But in the tunnel use of SOAP, or when SOAP is bound to
a *transport* protocol, a "SOAP representation" is not a representation.
Just my 2c.
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