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RE: Bath-profile: relation to national profiles.................. .... ...... J.nr. 331-3

From: Lunau Carrol <carrol.lunau@nlc-bnc.ca>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:13:52 -0400
Message-ID: <890459A65CB1D2119FC00008C7BAC619022F9990@exchange2>
To: "'Leif Andresen'" <LEA@bs.dk>, BATH-PROFILE-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA, "'www-zig@w3.org'" <www-zig@w3.org>
Cc: Lunau Carrol <carrol.lunau@nlc-bnc.ca>, "Majordomo danZIG (E-mail)" <danzig@list.dbc.dk>

Thank you for your comments, I hope you will be able to attend the upcoming
Bath Meeting on October 3rd. The proposals submitted by Juha Hakala on
behalf of CENL are on the agenda for discussion and cover some of the same
points you raise.

One point of clarification, the Bath Profile does currently define 2
searches using structure attribute 101 with use 1003 - 5.A.0.1 Author
Search-Precision Match for Established Name Heading and 5.A.1.1 Author
Search Precision Match for Established Name Heading with Right Truncation.
You are correct that we do not specify the 101 structure attribute for SCAN.
There is a proposal from the NISO Committee SC to remove the requirement for
the use of structure attribute 101 from the profile and replace it with a
left anchored phrase search. I hope that you and your European colleagues
will be at the meeting to support the use of 101 so an appropriate decision
can be made to reflect the needs of international interoperability.

The searches for First words in field were added to the profile because of
user needs which we discovered in our virtual union catalogue project. One
very strongly expressed weakness with current implementations of Z at the
time (from the end user perspective) was the inability to carry out a very
narrowly defined title search when the searcher knew the title and it
consisted of one or two words. The common example we use in Canada are
various journals with titles like: 'Canadian literature' or 'Agora' etc.
This was based on needs expressed by real users commenting on the weaknesses
with existing systems which were barriers to their using Z39.50 for

Carrol Lunau
Bath Profile Maintenance Agency
National Library of Canada
Ottawa, ON Canada
Tel: 613-996-3262
Fax: 613-947-2916
email: carrol.lunau@nlc-bnc.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Leif Andresen [mailto:LEA@bs.dk]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:00 AM
Cc: Majordomo danZIG (E-mail)
Subject: Bath-profile: relation to national
profiles...................... ...... J.nr. 331-3

Comments to Bath by danZIG

For discussion at the Bath profile Meeting October 3, 2001
(Agenda item 1)

In order to increase the value of the Bath Profile it should be possible to
have a national profile, where the Bath Profile is a real subset.

We have checked the danZIG-profile in comparison with the Bath Profile and
have found some difficulties.

Formats: Bath requires UNIMARC or MARC21 at level 1. But it will not be
suitable for a national Danish standard profile to require formats not used
in Denmark. The text in the danZIG-profile is:
Both Origin and Target systems must support the danMARC2 record syntax,
which include ISO8859-1 as character set plus SUTRS in order to conform to
danZIG Step-1. Support for MARC21 is optional but highly recommended in both
Origin and Target systems.

We have in danZIG-profile used structure attribute 101 name-normalised both
in SCAN and for SEARCH for USE 1003, but the Bath Profile use phrase.

Position "first in field" (value 1) gives us real problems. Library systems
on the Danish market don't support the function "First Words in Field". We
have discussed in and don't see the reason for this function. We use the
Position = Any
Structure = Phrase
Compleness = incomplete subfield
for two ore more words in connection. The Danish tradition is to use SCAN
for a "complete phrase" to support a user who knows the word/words to start
a title.
It seems not sensible to demand new indexes where the use isn't obvious.

best regards
for danZIG

Leif Andresen

Leif Andresen    *   Email: lea@bs.dk
Library Advisory Officer
Danish National Library Authority
Nyhavn 31 E, DK-1051 Copenhagen K
Phone direct: +45 3373 3354
Phone: +45 3373 3373 *  Telefax: +45 3373 3372
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