- From: Allen Brookes <abrookes@roguewave.com>
- Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:26:54 -0700
- To: "'www-ws-desc@w3.org'" <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
Minutes, Web Services Description Working Group 23 September 2004 telcon
Attendance:
David Booth W3C
Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software
Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems
Glen Daniels Sonic Software
Youenn Fablet Canon
Hugo Haas W3C
Anish Karmarkar Oracle
Jacek Kopecky DERI
Amelia Lewis TIBCO
Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft)
Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle
Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce
Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon
David Orchard BEA Systems
Bijan Parsia University of Maryland MIND Lab
Arthur Ryman IBM
Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc.
Regrets:
Erik Ackerman Lexmark
Paul Downey British Telecommunications
Tom Jordahl Macromedia
Kevin Canyang Liu SAP
Asir Vedamuthu webMethods
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Agenda
1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is one of:
Jerry Thrasher, Amy Lewis, Youenn Fablet, Prasad Yendluri,
William Vambenepe, Erik Ackerman, Jean-Jacques Moreau,
Hugo Haas, Allen Brookes, Glen Daniels, Igor Sedukhin
Scribe: Allen
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2. Approval of minutes:
[Allen] Minutes accepted for last telcon
[Allen] Minutes for f2f accepted
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
PENDING 2004-04-01: Marsh will get schema tf going.
DONE [.2] 2004-08-03: Glen to send a message about the mediaType
annotation (attribute/appInfo) to
soapbuilders.
PENDING 2004-08-04: Jonathan to check the policy with AB
and team and perhaps set
up a ML for testing.
DONE [.3] 2004-09-02: David Booth will check on w3c namespace
policy for a stable URL without cvs
string.
DONE 2004-09-09: Marsh to check with MarkN on Issue 198
resolution.
DONE [.4] 2004-09-09: DBooth to suggest resolution to LC5g that
removes the word "class" from 8.3.
PENDING 2004-09-09: Roberto to classify our errors as fatal or
non fatal. (LC5f)
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to implement resolution to LC5d at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0008.html
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0008.html>
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to implement resolution for LC5g as
proposed.
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to implement resolution to LC5i.
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to implement resolution to LC5k.
PENDING 2004-09-14: Arthur to submit proposal on conformance
requirements for XML serialization (of
WSDL and schema documents)
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to implement resolution to LC5l.
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to implement resolution to LC6a.
PENDING 2004-09-14: JMarsh to take issue LC6d to XML Core WG
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to make explicit that we're defining
new XPointer fragment schemes. (LC6d)
ED? 2004-09-14: Editors to implement LC7, LC10, LC12, LC15
unless they find problems that require
additional group attention.
ED? 2004-09-15: Editors update spec to clarify our using of
anyURI is actually URI reference except
targetNS (LC8)
DONE [.5] 2004-09-15: Glen to respond to Tim saying yes to his first
question, and pointing out sections 6. (LC9)
ED? 2004-09-15: Editors to clarify spec about operation
name mapping requirements by moving
paragraph preceeding section 2.2.1.1
and whole 2.2.1.1 to service section,
and clear up the text. (LC9)
PENDING 2004-09-15: Arthur to (re)write a subsection of the
spec to show exactly how it looks with
the Zed notation included before next
telecon.
PENDING 2004-09-15: Hugo to investigate potential options for
get the Zed version published in W3C
web site.
ED? 2004-09-15: Editors to add rationale to spec to explain
why no default for binding fault is
defined (no good default codes) (LC29a)
DONE 2004-09-15: Media type editors to change the syntax
to follow the http spec, drop the
pattern facet from the schema, and say
that the format of the string which
follows the appropriate production in
the HTTP RFC (except for not supporting
extensions).
PENDING 2004-09-15: Tom and Anish to figure out the right
words for a more meaningful overview/
introduction to the problem we're
trying to solve.
DONE 2004-09-15: Media Type editor to remove last sentence
of 2nd bullet, combine with previous
occurrence (remove redundancy).
DONE 2004-09-15: Media Type editor to make requirements an
OLIST.
DONE 2004-09-15: Media Type editor to clarify binary EII
term, a la "a binary EII is an EII
defined as follows"
DONE 2004-09-15: Media Type editor to have at least one
example which uses the Full syntax
instead of the convenience types.
DONE 2004-09-15: Media Type editor to remove colon from 2nd
para of 3.1.
ED? 2004-09-15: Editors to implement a fix for LC29c similar
to the fix for LC29a.
ED? 2004-09-15: Editors to add as 1st bullet of 3.8.1.1 that
it is an error for instance documents to have
elements with xsi:nil=true. (LC29e)
ED? 2004-09-15: Editors to change first bullet of section
3.8.1.1. to say "Uncited non-nil elements
with a possibly empty single value are
serialized ..." (LC29e)
PENDING 2004-09-15: Jonathan to ask XForms folks to review
WSDL.
DONE [.6] 2004-09-15: Jonathan to split 29g to two issues: first one
to be tagged editorial, 2nd (29h) to
be closed as no need to do it.
ED? 2004-09-15: Editors to implement editorial issues 29g, 32,
34a, 35, 36, 39 and 40 or come back to
the WG with questions.
ED? 2004-09-16: Editors to move App C to RDF Mapping spec,
except the frag-id which will move
within media-type reg appendix.
ED? 2004-09-16: Editors to fix paragraph 6-9 of section
2.1.1 moved into 2.1.2
which talks about the syntax.
DONE [.7] 2004-09-16: Arthur to write up his proposal to rename
'defintions' to 'description'.
DONE 2004-09-16: Glen to contact Bob Cunnings regarding
planning for CR bake-offs.
ED? 2004-09-16: Editors to add links to component designators
to sections where we note QName is
insufficient. (LC34a)
PENDING 2004-09-16: Arthur will scrub the proposed syntax and
create Features and properties syntax.
(LC34b)
ED? 2004-09-16: Editors to implement the restriction that
feature and property URIs must be unique
in a scope. (LC34b)
ED? 2004-09-16: Arthur to revamp table C-1 with component
names (LC34c)
ED? 2004-09-16: App C editors to rework table to be more
readable when new components are added.(LC34d)
DONE 2004-09-16: Editors to remove 'default' from text
in bullet item "HTTP Method Selection" (LC33)
DONE 2004-09-16: Editors to redo Part 3 Section 3.6.4
to accommodate method and input serialization
defaults. (LC37)
PENDING 2004-09-16: Hugo to get a URI to use for DTD example
in Appendix E.1 (LC38)
DONE 2004-09-16: Editors to add whttp:location to section 2.1,
the binding operation element (same place
as whttp:defaultTransferCoding) (LC12)
DONE 2004-09-16: Editors to change use of HTTP Operation
Component to something like Binding Operation
Component augmented by HTTP properties. (LC13)
ED? 2004-09-16: Editors fix the places described in issue 14
to say the value is the component. (LC14)
ED? 2004-09-16: Editors to remove the sentence "Thus,
an interface defines the design of the
application" in section 2.2.1 (LC16)
DONE 2004-09-16: Jonathan to record proposed resolution in
the issues list. (LC17)
PENDING 2004-09-16: Glen to CC Asir on mail to Marc re: SOAP modules
and features (LC18)
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions>
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0014.html
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0014.html>
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0010.html
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0010.html>
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0008.html
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0008.html>
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0032.html
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0032.html>
[.6]
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/issues.html?view=wg#LC29g
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/issues.html?view=wg#LC29g>
[.7]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Sep/0025
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Sep/0025>
.html
[Allen] ACTION: DBooth to get namespace and URL for Arthur to use for Z
notation.
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4. Administrivia
a. - November 9-11 (Sunnyvale, CA) registration .1], logistics [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0411/
<http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0411/>
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/04-11-f2f.htm
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/04-11-f2f.htm>
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5. New (non-LC) Issues. Issues list [.1].
- none
[.1]
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.h
<http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.h>
tml
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6. Last Call Issues [.1]. Comments list [.2]
- Many new issues, up to LC47
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/>
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/>
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7. Media Type Description [.1] Last Call status
- To do:
- complete all edits.
- notify XMLP WG
- prepare for Last Call
[.1]
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/media-types/xml-media-t
<http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/media-types/xml-media-t>
ypes.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
[Allen] A couple more ed todos left and action item, then last call?
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8. Issue LC5f: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, intro and conformance
issues (f) [.1]
- Awaiting Roberto's action
[.1] <http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/issues.html#LC5f>
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/issues.html#LC5f
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9. Issue LC6d: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, Technical comments (d)
[.1]
- Awaiting Jonathan's action
[.1] <http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC6d>
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC6d
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10. Issue LC29b: Review of WSDL 2.0 Pt 3 Last Call WD (b) [.1]
[.1] <http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC29b>
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC29b
[Allen] Pending action item.
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11. Issue LC29d: Review of WSDL 2.0 Pt 3 Last Call WD (d) [.1]
[.1] <http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC29bd>
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC29bd
[Marsh]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-bindings-20040803/#_http_binding_default
_rules
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-bindings-20040803/#_http_binding_defaul
t_rules>
[Allen] What is the example trying to illustrate?
[Allen] Hugo: David wanted to use the template mechanism for SOAP
serialization
[Allen] [Discussed LC 30 and 31 while waiting for DaveO to review ]
[Allen] DaveO: A soap response MEP may modify the serialization.
[Allen] DaveO: other MEPs may modify the serialization as well.
[Allen] JM: perhaps link to section on soap response
[Allen] ACTION: DaveO to add more descriptive text regarding LC29d .
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12. Issue LC30: use of provider agent & requestor agent terms in
the spec [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC30
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC30>
[Allen] Need to wait for Sanjiva
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13. Issue LC31: WSDL conformance & XML Schema conformance [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC31
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC31>
[Allen] LC 31 discussed at f2f (originally labeled LC 32 then changed to LC
31)
[hugo] LC31 resolution:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0038.html
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0038.html>
[hugo] see LC32 & s/32/31/
[Allen] LC 31 closed at F2F but not indicated in the minutes.
[Allen] Resolution: accept editors fix and close issue.
[Allen] Hugo has implemented: LC 32, 36, 33, 37, 13, 12, 11
[Marsh] Proposal to close LC10, LC36 (editorial)
[Allen] Proposal accepted, LC 10 and LC 36 are resolved.
[Marsh] ACTION: Marsh to check we have enough Ed AIs.
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14. Issue LC41: Clarification for use of xs:include [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC41
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC41>
[Roberto] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0022.html
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0022.html>
[ Allen] Roberto: Can we point to the note in the schema spec about the use
of fragment identifiers?
[Allen] JM: WSDL processors should support fragment identifiers to support
cross referencing of schemas.
[Marsh] Proposal: Add ", such as fragment identifiers (see Schema 4.3.1),"
[Allen] Roberto: should also apply to section 3.1.1 about importing schema.
[Allen] Proposal accepted, LC 41 closed.
[Allen] ACTION: Editors implement resolution for LC 41.
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15. Issue LC42: error in part 2, section 3.1.4 [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC42
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC42>
[Allen] ACTION: Editors make namespaces consistent per issue LC42.
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16. Issue LC43: Rename <definitions> to <description> [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC43
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC43>
[Marsh] Make LC42 editorial, hand it to editors for resolution.
[dbooth] me +1 to "description"
[Allen] Roberto: concern that name change will lead to reopening other name
change issues.
[Allen] Resolved to rename "definitions" to "description".
[Allen] ACTION: Editors will implement change of "<definitions>" to
"<description>" everywhere.
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17. Issue LC45: Part 3 section 3.6.2: {http location} not
necessarily a template [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC45
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC45>
[Allen] ACTION: Hugo to investigate how to resolve LC 45.
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18. Issue LC47: Issue: describing the HTTP error text for
faults [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC47
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC47>
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Meeting ends.
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