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Re: 2004-02-12 Action Item: Clarification to the OperationName feature

From: Umit Yalcinalp <umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:46:37 -0800
Message-ID: <403A74BD.4060201@oracle.com>
To: Glen Daniels <gdaniels@sonicsoftware.com>
Cc: Savas Parastatidis <Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk>, Amelia A Lewis <alewis@tibco.com>, distobj@acm.org, www-ws-desc@w3.org


Glen Daniels wrote:

>Hi Savas, all:
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>>>"message exchange pattern" is a much better term than 
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>>"operation", but 
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>>>we *don't* want to end up in another argument about naming, 
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>>please the 
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>>>gods of small forest pools and sandy ocean beaches.
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>>In fact, if people in this mailing list (that's the ws-desc 
>>one) remember, Jim and I proposed the renaming of 
>>/interface/operation to /interface/messageExchange and during 
>>the discussion more terms were mentioned... 
>>/interactions/messageExchange or /interactions/exchange (was 
>>it issue #88?).
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>Yep, and Sanjiva suggested renaming this to "interaction" as well (which
>I liked).
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>>I think the above much better captures the role of WSDL (at 
>>least as the way Jim and I see it... and I guess Amy). We are 
>>talking about a description of the message exchange patterns 
>>and the formats of those messages. We are not describing 
>>interfaces. Many toolkits have been treating WSDL as an IDL 
>>for objects and that complete misses the point of Web 
>>Services and as all of us know, Web Services != Distributed 
>>objects :-)) (yes, that one again! :-)
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>If you can't distinguish between message exchanges / interactions /
>operations, then what good are they?  See my recent message to Amy [1].
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And also [2].

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>The fact that "interfaces" happen to combine "operations", and that you
>COULD if you wanted to then map those "interfaces" to things that look
>like objects/classes, is, while true, orthogonal to the desire to
>utilize and identify the operations themselves.
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>--Glen
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>[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0176.html
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[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0181.html

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