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Re: Can one inline schema import definitions from a second inline schema?

From: Amelia A. Lewis <alewis@tibco.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:22:32 -0400
To: paul.downey@bt.com
Cc: mgudgin@microsoft.com, umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com, ryman@ca.ibm.com, www-ws-desc@w3.org
Message-id: <20031020122232.0e76dd9d.alewis@tibco.com>

Oops!

That's an implication that I hadn't even thought of.  You're absolutely
right; WS-I prohibits references between embedded schemas in this way. 
I wonder if they knew that it had that effect?

Amy!
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:57:55 +0100
paul.downey@bt.com wrote:

> it could be my mistake, but i understand R2004:
> 
>   <<[must not] import a Schema from any document whose root element is
>   not "schema" >>
> 
> as prohibiting import of a namespace from one in-line schema into
> another in-line schema, since the root element of a WSDL document is
> "definitions".
> 
> As always, i'm prepared to be wrong .. in fact i'd like to be wrong
> here: i'm responsible for several .NET  generated WSDLs that schema
> import namespaces between multiple in-line schemas using a missing
> schemaLocation value.
> 
> Paul
> 
> [2004]
> http://ws-i.org/Profiles/Basic/2003-08/BasicProfile-1.0a.htm#refinement34101304
> http://tinyurl.com/rary
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amelia A. Lewis [mailto:alewis@tibco.com]
> Sent: 20 October 2003 15:54
> To: Downey,PS,Paul,XSJ67A C
> Cc: mgudgin@microsoft.com; umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com;
> ryman@ca.ibm.com; www-ws-desc@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Can one inline schema import definitions from a second
> inline schema?
> 
> 
> I don't understand.
> 
> WS-I prohibited use of wsdl:import to import schema, and requires that
> xs:import be inside xs:schema inside wsdl:types (bare xs:import inside
> wsdl:types is allowed in wsdl.next).  It prohibits use of any schema
> language other than W3C XML Schema, and prohibits import of fragments
> (these from Anne Thomas Manes quotes of the WS-I BP).  I was not aware
> of a prohibition of imports of embedded schema; could you cite or
> quote this requirement?
> 
> Amy!
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:42:41 +0100
> paul.downey@bt.com wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I'm not sure I understand how is WSDL 2.0 clearer in this regard
> > than WSDL 1.1 ? 
> > 
> > My concern is unless the rules are absolutely clear on how to
> > reference across in-line schemas, it will require profiling out
> > again in 2.0.
> > 
> > I assume the WS-I prohibited importing an in-line schema namespace
> > because the 1.1 rules were unclear, not because of some other
> > interoperability issue ?
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Gudgin [mailto:mgudgin@microsoft.com]
> > Sent: 19 October 2003 15:23
> > To: Downey,PS,Paul,XSJ67A C; umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com;
> > ryman@ca.ibm.com Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: Can one inline schema import definitions from a second
> > inline schema?
> > 
> > 
> > The BP is defined over WSDL 1.1, and it's true that in WSDL 1.1 the
> > schema processing rules are unclear.
> > 
> > I think WSDL 2.0 is much clearer in this regard and see no real
> > reason to prohibit references across in-line schemas.
> > 
> > Gudge 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org 
> > > [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of
> > > paul.downey@bt.com Sent: 19 October 2003 08:57
> > > To: umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com; ryman@ca.ibm.com
> > > Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org
> > > Subject: RE: Can one inline schema import definitions from a 
> > > second inline schema?
> > > 
> > > Ümit wrote:
> > > 
> > > 		I would rather see inlined schemas to 
> > > dissappear altogether from WSDL. Instead of discussing the 
> > > semantics and the interpretation of inlined schemas within 
> > > WSDL, the problem can be left to Schema completely. 
> > > 		
> > > 
> > > I've thus far found stand-alone WSDLs very useful, but if the 
> > > rules are unclear how to reference between in-line schemas, 
> > > and the BP effectively prohibits it, then I agree: we should 
> > > consider removing inline schemas from WSDL.
> > >  
> > > Paul
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Amelia A. Lewis
> Architect, TIBCO/Extensibility, Inc.
> alewis@tibco.com
> 


-- 
Amelia A. Lewis
Architect, TIBCO/Extensibility, Inc.
alewis@tibco.com
Received on Monday, 20 October 2003 12:23:11 GMT

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