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Re: Separate concepts for "service" and "targetResource"?

From: Walden Mathews <waldenm@optonline.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:14:25 -0400
To: Ugo Corda <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Message-id: <00ed01c32021$03c72be0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup>

Ugo,

I'm afraid I may have misunderstood somewhere along the line.
I agree with you -- there's no need for two.  The "service" and the
"resource" are practically synonymous.  They have to be, really,
for a URI to identify a service, don't they?

Walden

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
To: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@optonline.net>
Cc: <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:27 PM
Subject: RE: Separate concepts for "service" and "targetResource"?


> Walden,
>
> The same way that it does not matter to a loan applicant to know "how many
agents and forwardings took place in order to approve my loan", why would
the loan applicant care about the existence of an abstract resource called a
"loan processor" and identified by a URI, when she already has a URI
identifying the WSD loan service. What does a second URI buy her?
>
> Ugo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Walden Mathews [mailto:waldenm@optonline.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:51 PM
> > To: Ugo Corda
> > Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: Separate concepts for "service" and "targetResource"?
> >
> >
> > Ugo,
> >
> > I haven't had a chance to study it in detail yet, but isn't this
> > pretty clearly about, well, loan processing?  So why wouldn't you
> > posit the existence of an abstract resource called a "loan
> > processor"?  What difference does it make to me, a loan
> > applicant, how many agents and forwardings took place in
> > order to approve my loan?
> >
> > I think your original point was that this would be an example
> > of an aggregate service for which "resource" wouldn't make much
> > sense as a way of describing how the service is structured and
> > offered?  Do you still feel that way?  If so, could you explain?
> >
> > Walden
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
> > To: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@optonline.net>
> > Cc: <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: Separate concepts for "service" and "targetResource"?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > How about the loan approval process BPEL example at
> > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/ws-bpelcol2/ ?
> > >
> > > Ugo
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Walden Mathews [mailto:waldenm@optonline.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:24 AM
> > > > To: Ugo Corda
> > > > Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Separate concepts for "service" and "targetResource"?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ugo,
> > > >
> > > > By "concrete", I meant I want you to tell me what it does, what
> > > > value it provides, what problem it solves.  Any or all of
> > the above.
> > > >
> > > > Walden
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
> > > > To: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@optonline.net>
> > > > Cc: <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Separate concepts for "service" and "targetResource"?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You talk about the "typical example" of a web service
> > > > composed of other
> > > > > > web services.  If you will make your example concrete, we can
> > > > investigate
> > > > > > the issue directly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Example: a BPEL Web service.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ugo
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Received on Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:10:12 GMT

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