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RE: Draft language on MEPs, synchronous, and asynchronous.

From: Damodaran, Suresh <Suresh_Damodaran@stercomm.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:08:38 -0500
Message-ID: <D0E281E7D3C7164399488D7AD8BEEFEB011FAB10@scidalmsg02.csg.stercomm.com>
To: "'Champion, Mike'" <Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com>, www-ws-arch@w3.org

As promised in the call, here is my proposal:

This propasl is based on the assumption that Web Service Architecture, as
defined by WSA WG,
is meant to support "business requirements" - may be WSA requirements
document has something to this effect.
Else, feel free to ignore this message.

I do not think it makes sense to call synchronous and asynchrnous as
instances
of MEPs, because it doesn't reflect real business messaging practices that
require non-repudiation, for example.
Feel free to do necessary massaging to suit teh rest of the architecture.

I suggest the following as instances of MEPs.

- Request/Response: The Requesting message results in a Response message
that contains response to a query within the Requesting message. Only 2
partners involved. Requires acknowledgement signal from the partner for both
Requesting and Responding messages.

-Notification: The Notification message is sent from one partner to another.
There is no responding message. Requires an acknowledgement signal from the
receiving partner.

- Information Distribution: Information distribution messages are sent from
one partner to one or more partners. No acknowldgements required.

- Query/Response: Query message is sent from one partner to another, which
responds with a Response message. No acknowledgement.

Note the distinction between message vs. signal. Messages carry business
information, whereas signals can be acknowledgements or exceptions.

It does make sense to qualify the some or all of teh MEPs below as
synchronous or asynchronous. Any of the above can be synchronous or
asynchronous depending on whether either the message and/or signals are
synchronous or asynchronous.

My definition of Synchronous/Asynchronous from a messaging point of view is
below FWIW
(I know you have been many times over it):

Synchronous: An entity A  communicates with entity B  synchronously over a
communication channel if and only if A requires a response back from B and A
does not initiate another communication to B using the same communication
channel before it receives that response.

Asynchronous: When A communicates with B  asynchronously, A does not always
require a response back from B. Irrespective of whether A  requires a
response or not, A may initiate another communication to B on the same
communication channel.

*"communication" can be a message or a signal.


Regards, 
-Suresh 
Sterling Commerce (on loan to RosettaNet) 
469 524 2676 (O), 469 323 0234 (Cell) 



-----Original Message-----
From: Champion, Mike [mailto:Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Arnold [mailto:Geoff.Arnold@Sun.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:30 PM
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> Subject: Draft language on MEPs, synchronous, and asynchronous.
> 

+1 Overall, especially to combining   this with the MEP concept.  Without
that, we risk complicating the definition to exclude irrelevant senses of
these terms.

> MEPs which describe closely coupled, or lock-step 
> interactions are frequently referred to as "synchronous".

How about "time-coupled" or "closely coupled in time"?  "Coupling" has a lot
of other meanings and I think we want to explicitly talk about
timing-related coupling.... One wants to say "synchronized" of course, but
that doesn't add any information!
 
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