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RE: Messaging Service Layer

From: Champion, Mike <Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:19:20 -0500
Message-ID: <9A4FC925410C024792B85198DF1E97E401E63039@usmsg03.sagus.com>
To: www-ws-arch@w3.org

> If you're familiar with a more widely accepted stack than the 
> IETF one, used in the context of architecting Internet scale 
> systems, I'd love to see a pointer.  It is the best thing 
> we've got, flaws and all.  If you want to invent a new one, 
> ok, but let's at least *relate* it to the well established 
> one, which is all I'm asking.

I'm just not seeing this thread going anywhere.  Mark and Walden seem to
want some genuflection to the non-normative (either in W3C or IETF) 7-layer
model.  Others say that this is pointless because everything we're talking
about is essentially at the "application" layer.  The counter-argument that
one doesn't NEED HTTP, SMTP, etc to do web serivces message "transport"
because it could go over TCP/IP directly misses the point that what we're
doing is required to be protocol-neutral.  

I'm sure that the final document will make these points, but I see no point
in pushing for finalization now.  And no WG member has said that this issue
is important to them or their company.  Indeed, I'm beginning to see that
this isn't a "layering" issue at all; the SOAP header framework doesn't
impose a layering!  (Sorry for taking awhile to pick up on this point, and
for asking Roger to pursue it!).

How about if Mark or Walden just submit an issue against the next public
draft of the WSA document so that we make sure that we say SOMETHING about
it (suggest wording, even) so we can get on with more pressing topics?
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