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RE: new editor's draft of WSA available

From: Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:05:11 -0400
To: "Munter, Joel D" <joel.d.munter@intel.com>
Cc: W3C WS Architecture <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Message-ID: <OF0AB6D34A.3A4E4F30-ON85256C5C.0050D974-85256C5C.0052BEE7@rchland.ibm.com>
Joel,

Please see below.

Cheers,

Christopher Ferris
Architect, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
phone: +1 508 234 3624

Joel Munter wrote on 10/23/2002 02:04:33 PM:

> Several weeks ago, I completed a review of Heather's draft "Discovery 
Words" before they were 
> incorporated into the WSA draft material.  I see in this latest 
publication that my suggestions 
> and comments were ignored and the issues that I addressed with my 
comments are still present.  I 
> have re-issue them here for your reference.  Please consider these 
comments.
> 
> Original Comments:
> Portal UDDI Registry: The following sentence seems a touch awkward. "A
> portal UDDI registry runs in the service provider's outside the firewall 
or
> in a DMZ between firewalls." Please consider adding the word 
"environment"
> between provider's and outside. There is the beginning of discussion of
> "role-based" visibility here also. There is a similar capability that is
> now defined within the UDDI specification itself and should be expected
> within vendor-based tools and future registries. 

done

> 
> This comment "...complete business context and well thought out 
taxonomies
> are essential if the service is to be found be potential service
> requestors..." which you have associated with just the [public] UDDI
> Business Registry absolutely applies equally to all forms and usages of
> registries.

Good point, I've reorganized the intro a bit and relocated this point to 
the
intro for UDDI discussion.

> 
> Acquiring Service Descriptions: This statement "...Internal Enterprise
> Application UDDI registries and Partner Catalog UDDI registries will 
require
> no pre screening to establish trust of the service..." is not true. I 
might
> host a web service within my enterprise and still need to establish a 
level
> of working "trust" with (internal) users of the service.

removed.

> 
> I like to describe WSIL as getting a business card from someone that I 
have
> already met or someone that I have been introduced to. The "business 
card"
> provides a rich set of very specific information. If you agree with this
> analogy, then you might want to add something to that affect.

hmmm... what do others think?

> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher B Ferris [mailto:chrisfer@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
> Subject: new editor's draft of WSA available

> 
> All, 
> 
> I've incorporated Eric and Heather's material with some tweaks. I have 
also included the harvesting 
> material as is (so we don't forget it:) I haven't included the 
management material as yet 
> because I understand that the MGT TF wants to noodle on that work some 
more before 
> they are ready to have it integrated (requiring a format change to XML). 
I believe that they 
> want to defer this until after the f2f. 
> 
> Anyway, here's the latest WSA: 
> 
> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/arch/wsa/wd-wsa-arch.html 
> 
> As always, comments welcomed. Note that I still need to update some of 
the graphics 
> to reflect naming changes we have (I think) settled on to a certain 
extent. Please let's 
> not get sucked into the vortex of endless debating over terms simply 
because I was 
> only able to find older representations of certain graphics. These will 
be updated! 
> 
> Remember, this is ONLY A DRAFT! :) 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Christopher Ferris
> Architect, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
> email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> phone: +1 508 234 3624
> ----- Message from "Munter, Joel D" <joel.d.munter@intel.com> on Thu, 26 
Sep 2002 13:40:05 -0700 -----
> 
> To:
> 
> www-ws-arch@w3.org
> 
> Subject:
> 
> RE: Discovery words 
> 
> Hi Heather, 
> Is this what you are intending for inclusion into the WSAWG spec?  If 
so, 
> then please include it and let's just review one document.  I would like 
to 
> see the graphics. 
> Line numbers would help when providing comments. 
> While WSDL is absolutely preferred, there are other mechanisms for 
discovery 
> of a web service's methods and input and output parameters.  For 
instance, 
> Microsoft tools offer "reflection."  Maybe we should just state that 
WSDL is 
> preferred. 
> Portal UDDI Registry: The following sentence seems a touch awkward.  "A 
> portal UDDI registry runs in the service provider's outside the firewall 
or 
> in a DMZ between firewalls."  Please consider adding the word 
"environment" 
> between provider's and outside.  There is the beginning of discussion of 

> "role-based" visibility here also.  There is a similar capability that 
is 
> now defined within the UDDI specification itself and should be expected 
> within vendor-based tools and future registries. 
> 
> This comment "...complete business context and well thought out 
taxonomies 
> are essential if the service is to be found be potential service 
> requestors..." which you have associated with just the [public] UDDI 
> Business Registry absolutely applies equally to all forms and usages of 
> registries. 
> Acquiring Service Descriptions: This statement "...Internal Enterprise 
> Application UDDI registries and Partner Catalog UDDI registries will 
require 
> no pre screening to establish trust of the service..." is not true.  I 
might 
> host a web service within my enterprise and still need to establish a 
level 
> of working "trust" with (internal) users of the service. 
> I like to describe WSIL as getting a business card from someone that I 
have 
> already met or someone that I have been introduced to.  The "business 
card" 
> provides a rich set of very specific information.  If you agree with 
this 
> analogy, then you might want to add something to that affect. 
> Joel 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Heather Kreger [mailto:kreger@us.ibm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:06 AM 
> To: www-ws-arch@w3.org 
> Subject: Discovery words 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> Folks, 
> Here are the words I had for what I called the Registry Stack. I tried 
to 
> rename it to the Discovery Agency (I'm still uncomfortable with this 
> name... any other ideas?).  Again, these words are plaguerized from our 
Web 
> Services Conceptual Architecture paper (http://www.ibm.com/webservices, 
> click on resources and scroll down).  Of course this is just a starter 
> set... 
> (See attached file: HKsContribution.discoveryagency.htm) 
> Heather Kreger 
> Web Services Lead Architect 
> STSM, SWG Emerging Technology 
> kreger@us.ibm.com 
> 919-543-3211 (t/l 441)  cell:919-496-9572 
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