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Re: D-AG0014 [coordination / liaison outside W3C]

From: Doug Bunting <db134722@iPlanet.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:15:07 -0800
Message-ID: <3C8EA81B.3960C1FA@iPlanet.com>
To: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
CC: Public W/S Arch <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Hugo,

I would agree with this wording as the output for both D-AG0013 and D-AG0014.

thanx,
    doug

Hugo Haas wrote:

> * Doug Bunting <db134722@iPlanet.com> [2002-03-07 18:14-0800]
> > To get the ball rolling, let me start with the goal statement itself
> >
> >      serve as liaison with groups outside W3C who are working on
> >      web 0services in order to achive interoperability and reduce
> >      duplication of effort
> >
> > Please remember that, like all goals past D-AG0011, this goal refers to
> > actions of the Working Group and not to our reference architecture.
> >
> > I could find no discussion on this goal except Mario Jeckle's agreement
> > with Daniel Austin's original in an email entitled "Web Service
> > Definition".  Sorry, I don't have the URL for that email in the archives
> > right now.
>
> D-AG0014 states that the Working Group must serve as a liaison for the
> Web services world.
>
> The Working Group must indeed do things in light of other people's
> work, and this is actually why we have liaison with external groups
> listed in our charter[1].
>
> However, the goal of our Working Group is to write specifications. The
> same way I expressed that I was worried about the overlap with the
> role of the CG about D-AG0013, I think that the angle that D-AG0014
> takes is too broad.
>
> Moreover, interoperability is already in D-AG0001. I believe that what
> this goal carries is that the Working Group should be aware of the
> work that is done outside.
>
> [..]
> > A discussion point: Is this goal truly separate from D-AG0013
> >
> >      co-ordinate the development of web services within W3C,
> >      together with other W3C Working Groups where there is overlap
> >      among their problem domains
> >
> > ?  I would suggest coordination often requires liaison work.  The
> > separation between how groups within W3C are coordinated and those
> > outside are liaison'd seems artificial though we might have very
> > different levels of "control" in each case.  Could we align the wording
> > of these two goals or (preferable) craft something general with D-AG0013
> > and D-AG0014 as sub-points?
>
> I agree that in the end, D-AG0013 and D-AG0014 are fairly similar.
>
> What about merging them as (using my wording[2], amended by David
> Orchard[3], and augmented with a mention of other groups):
>
>    co-ordinate with other W3C Working Groups, the Technical
>    Architecture Groups and other groups doing Web services related
>    work in order to maintain a coherent architecture for Web services.
>
> I think that it captures:
> - our commitment to have a coherent architecture.
> - our co-ordination within W3C (TAG, other Working Groups).
> - our liaisons with external groups.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hugo
>
>   1. http://www.w3.org/2002/01/ws-arch-charter#external
>   2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0153.html
>   3. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0155.html
> --
> Hugo Haas - W3C
> mailto:hugo@w3.org - http://www.w3.org/People/Hugo/ - tel:+1-617-452-2092
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