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Re: HTML 5 conformance: table border obsolete?

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:49:37 -0600
Message-ID: <CAOk_reH7PLG-HRzkMW4NAPtZegc37LCLenUTm64QDuJHpbJ1ww@mail.gmail.com>
To: Guus Schreiber <guus.schreiber@vu.nl>
Cc: www-validator@w3.org, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>
Yeah - I get that.  I just didn't want the validator / webmaster to become
a bottleneck for publication.  I don't know how long it takes to get stuff
like this resolved.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Guus Schreiber <guus.schreiber@vu.nl> wrote:

>
>
> On 06-02-14 15:12, Shane McCarron wrote:
>
>> I know it can be challenging to use CSS instead of embedding
>> presentational attributes in HTML, but this feels like a simple global
>> change to your spec that would be more consistent with w3c best
>> practices.  I would be happy to help with the edits so this 'bug'
>> doesn't get in the way of your publishing.  Let me know.
>>
>
> I know how to move it to CSS, that's not the issue. The point is: this bug
> in the validator creates a problem for us at a critical point in time. I
> simply want it repaired.
>
> Guus
>
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2014 7:35 AM, "Guus Schreiber" <guus.schreiber@vu.nl
>> <mailto:guus.schreiber@vu.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 06-02-14 13:53, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>
>>         2014-02-06 12:09, Michael[tm] Smith wrote:
>>
>>           > Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@målform.no
>>         <mailto:xn--mlform-iua@m%C3%A5lform.no>>, 2014-02-06 03:10 +0100:
>>
>>         [...]
>>
>>                 Mike, you are not answering the question.
>>
>>
>>             You're right, sorry.
>>
>>
>>         Mike, you are still not answering the question.
>>
>>             As I understand it, you're probably suggesting I should try
>>             to answer the
>>             question of why, in the particular document that the OP
>>             cited, using
>>             legacy
>>             table@border=1 markup for presentational purposes is a
>>             better choice
>>
>>
>>         Whatever Leif may have suggested (and I don't think he suggested
>>         that),
>>         the original question was:
>>
>>         "Is this a validator bug?"
>>
>>                 The answer is that @border is conforming in HTML5 and
>>                 that the validator
>>                 has a bug if it does not allow it. There was a change
>>                 proposal
>>                 process to
>>                 have @border added back into the spec, and the CP
>> prevailed.
>>
>>
>>             OK, understood. As far as that goes, could you please take a
>>             minute to
>>             file
>>             a bug report?
>>
>>
>>         I don't get it. It seems that the validators
>>         http://validator.w3.org and
>>         http://validator.w3.org/nu/ were recently changed to report the
>>         border
>>         attribute as an error, against the draft specifications and
>>         against what
>>         http://www.validator.nu does. Instead of fixing this bug, you're
>>         suggesting opening a bug report and, as per your later comment, to
>>         continue the discussion there.
>>
>>         What is there to be discussed? Either you fix the bug, or you
>>         don't. I
>>         don't think there is anything to be discussed, as the draft
>>         specifications are so clear. What the specifications should say
>> is a
>>         different issue
>>
>>         And I suppose the original poster deserves a simple answer to
>>         the simple
>>         question (and to the natural followup question "when will it be
>>         fixed?").
>>
>>
>>     I woud be very grateful if it could be fixed soon. We are going to
>>     REC with 8 docuemtns from different editors, where many use this
>>     feature. The Webmaster will complan if the this "bug" pops up.
>>
>>     Thanks for the quick responses,
>>     Guus
>>
>>     PS I personally don't like the border thing either, but as chair I
>>     have a different role.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         Yucca
>>
>>
>>
>>
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