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Re: New version of Quality Tips for Webmaster

From: Thanasis Kinias <tkinias@optimalco.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:10:25 -0700
To: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
Cc: Olivier Thereaux <ot@w3.org>, www-validator@w3.org
Message-ID: <20020419071025.A32696@glaux.ph.cox.net>
scripsit Karl Dubost:

> At 18:25 -0700 2002-04-18, Thanasis Kinias wrote:

> >As someone who uses the Validator quite a lot, and who also uses Lynx, I
> >would say that anything added before the `This Page Is Valid' text would
> >reduce the useability of the Validator.  When one does a lot of
> >validation, having to scroll to find out whether the page is valid is
> >very inconvenient.

> CSS rulez!

No arguments there.

> DO not confuse structure and layout.

Thank you, Karl. ;)  Maybe I should have mentioned that I've given 
seminars on WCAG with valid HTML/CSS, so I'm pretty familiar with the

> We can perfectly put at  the top for the layout and at the bottom in 
> the structure. So the page will be fine in text browsers and in 
> graphical browsers.

In principle, yes.  In this imperfect world, however, a developer must
not exclude those using horribly flawed browsers like NS4.  While there
are ways to keep NS4 from seeing the CSS and going mad, they quickly
leave the realm of elegance which CSS is supposed to offer and descend
into very ugly hackdom.

That having been said, there are several pages at W3C which demonstrate
how you can use CSS positioning etc. to good effect while still giving
NS4 something it can handle -- but it's not as simple as your comments
suggest, unless a developer is willing to exclude a whole class of

Thanasis Kinias
Web Developer, Information Technology
Graduate Student, Department of History
Arizona State University
Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A.

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