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Re: The Browsers and Validation

From: Allen Strand <astrand@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:40:59 -0800
Message-ID: <36A8B82A.71291124@ix.netcom.com>
To: www-validator@w3.org
I AM CURIOUS what you found incorrect in IE for the test.
IE4 appears to dispaly correctly (at least the elements I checked).
I did not check all items. However it was a real mess with
Netscape.   A couple of tests prior to the one you submitted
causes my IE browser to hang so I can't say I really like IE
either.  It would be nice if an impartial org related to W3C would
do the comparison chart you supplied.  I am skeptical when
either NS or MS does it because they will be biased and won't
report the total truth.

BUT IN ANY EVENT, whether I missed something or not,  we really
need to have a syntax checker that validates CSS 1 and 2.  Since
CSS is like a programming language, we need a checker that will
make certain we don't put in the wrong elements.  Ironically,
adding CSS is 12th in the priority list for W3C and is below
XML validation.  That tells me XML is more important.

THE NEXT THING we will need to do is to somehow get the HTML
tool designers to use the checkers and the standard.  One of the
leading HTML creation tool vendors told me that they wrote the
tool to the Netscape and IE spec. They were not even
familiar with the W3C spec.  When I complained that all IMG
tags needed a ALT=" " tag to be compliant, they came up with
some nonsense.

I AM TOTALLY SYMPATHETIC to what you are talking about.
I have been having a lot of fun trying to come up with a DHTML
implementation that works on both browsers.

Allen Strand

Kevin Berkheiser wrote:

> Hello,
> I am one of those new web developers that is disgusted with the inaccurate
> claims of compatibility web browsers designers are making.
> For example,
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Ie/Info/techdocs/ie401compare.asp
> Microsoft claims that IE 4.01 implements CSS1 fully.  This is inaccurate,
> all you have to do is look at this
> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/current/sec5526c-test.htm to know that.
> This is my suggestion:  Microsoft has come out with a "Designed for
> Windows 98 and Windows NT" logo.  The W3C has come out with the great
> looking Valid HTML 4 logo and the CSS logo.  I think we need the W3C
> (since they are vender neutral)  to come out with a "Designed with 100%
> CSS Level 1 Compliance" logo, as well as one for HTML 4 and CSS Level 2.
> This logo needs to be easily obtained, for example, if the browser
> successfully and accurately completes the W3C CSS test suit, they should
> be authorized to display the CSS Level 1 logo on their products web site
> and print it on the retail box.  I think you get the idea.
> We really need the 5.0 browsers to accurately render CSS , HTML so web
> developers can stop coding their pages for all the inaccuracies in the
> user agents.
> Anyhow, that is my idea.  The latest Mozilla binaries look like they are
> hitting CSS Level 1 really well, hope MS fixes this in IE5 before it is
> released.
> Thanks
> Kevin Berkheiser
Received on Friday, 22 January 1999 12:45:47 UTC

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