- From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
- Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:15:47 -0400
- To: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@annevk.nl>
- CC: "www-tag.w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
I haven't read in detail, but these look terrific. Thank you so much for turning them around so quickly! Noah On 4/4/2013 2:44 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > These minutes are subject to review, but you knew that. > > Web: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/04/04-minutes.html > > Email: > > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > - DRAFT - > > Technical Architecture Group Teleconference > > 04 Apr 2013 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/04/04-agenda > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-irc > > Attendees > > Present > Yehuda, Jeni, Tim, Noah, Yves, Henry, Alex, Anne > > Regrets > Marcos > > Chair > Noah > > Scribe > Anne > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]Agenda > 2. [6]Actions > 3. [7]TAG backlog > 4. [8]Pending review actions > * [9]Summary of Action Items > __________________________________________________________ > > Agenda > > Noah: Lets go through F2F actions and then through the TAG's > backlog > ... For those in the backlog we may want to go through them and > indicate whether we'll be working on them or that they should > not expect an update. > ... The next call will be in two weeks. > > <noah> Alex will scribe on 18 April > > <noah> No regrets for the 18th > > Noah: Another administrative item was a request for a calendar > feed > > <noah> Calendar: > [10]https://cal.csswg.org/public.php/tag/calendar.ics > > [10] https://cal.csswg.org/public.php/tag/calendar.ics > > Noah: this is experimental, set up by plinss > ... I'll do the updates, you can pull out of it > ... TAG F2F in London coming up, start thinking about travel > > <noah> Reminder, please put ACTION-XXX in subject or body of > your emails > > Noah: beware of cross-posting ACTION- to other lists as there's > no namespacing > > [no namespacing, how can this be!] > > Actions > > JeniT: I'd like to postpone my action > > <trackbot> ACTION-790 -- Jeni Tennison to do new Editor's Draft > of fragids spec for approval to publish as CR -- due 2013-04-16 > -- OPEN > > <trackbot> > [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/790 > > [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/790 > > <trackbot> ACTION-791 -- Alex Russell to redraft proposed > "status" section that TAG is suggesting for Polyglot -- due > 2013-03-27 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> > [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791 > > [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791 > > Noah: Has discussion converged? > > Yehuda: it seems there were two points > ... Larry thought Alex' use cases were too narrow and I had > mentioned another use case worth mentioning > ... It seemed people were talking past each other via email > > <ht> sorry, but I've been busy -- I'd like to review the emails > before discussing > > Yehuda: easiest would be for Alex to reply to those emails > > <noah> OK, Henry > > Yehuda: Both Larry and I wanted to expand your wording > > Alex: Yes that works for me > > Noah: bump due date? > > Alex: yes > > <trackbot> ACTION-791 -- Alex Russell to redraft proposed > "status" section that TAG is suggesting for Polyglot -- due > 2013-04-16 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> > [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791 > > [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791 > > <slightlyoff_> *finally*. Sorry 'bout that > > Noah: anything else on Polyglot? > > [silence] > > <trackbot> ACTION-793 -- Anne van Kesteren to draft disclaimer > text for Authoritative Metadata -- due 2013-04-05 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> > [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/793 > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/793 > > Anne: Just updated due date, will do it tomorrow. > > [Discussing details of note formatting.] > > <noah> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect-20060412 > > [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect-20060412 > > <timbl> It is better to work in the CVS space than to have it > at your own private site > > Noah: use a date in the URL > ... Yehuda, any update on F2F minutes? > > Yehuda: one flight away > > TAG backlog > > [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/open > > [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/open > > Noah: The TAG used its own issue tracking system that had > shortnames. That explains errorHandling-20 and such. > ... The first six or so years of the TAG it used issues to > drive its agenda. > ... And looked at aspects of them, e.g. error handling in HTML > vs XML. > ... Larry expressed frustration with this process and so we > created product pages to have a more overarching goal of what > we're working towards. > > <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- XML Transformation and composability > (e.g., XSLT,XInclude, Encryption) -- open > > <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34 > > [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34 > > Noah: Lets go through the issues and see which we can close. > ... Processing model of XML. Is there any interest in this? > > <ht> xmlFunctions-34 > > Tim: I'm happy to do things with XML. This came from when we're > talking about XML was processed. The meaning from XML has to be > taken outside-in. Otherwise you cannot create new XML > specifications that interweave with what exist. > ... Not clear people noticed that. > > <noah> I note that traceker has several status codes we can > assign, including OPEN, PENDING, REVIEW, POSTPONED, and CLOSED. > > Tim: Henry did a lot more work on that. I don't feel we need to > put a whole lot of energy into XML at all. JSON is the new way > for me. It's much more straightforward. > > <noah> Suggestion: if we think this is now resolved or > uninteresting, CLOSE it; if we think it's interesting but not > now, then POSTPONED? > > Tim: We need another concept besides OPEN/CLOSED. Something > like NOT WORKING ON IT. > > Noah: It has POSTPONED. > > Tim: POSTPONED expresses a feeling of guilt. But there's no > guilt. > > Noah: It's close enough and I'm not looking forward to changing > Tracker. > > <Zakim> ht, you wanted to add 0.02USD > > Henry: I'm happy to move this to the backburner. I think > there's a genuine issue here and of interest to the community > but I don't have the bandwidth. > > Noah: We need to tell ourselves a story as to what these codes > mean. > ... Historically we used CLOSED for "it's in pretty good > shape". > > Henry: I'm happy with POSTPONED and it's better than CLOSED. > > <slightlyoff_> +1 for postponing > > <JeniT> +1 > > RESOLUTION: We mark ISSUE-34 (xmlFunctions-34) POSTPONED > > <slightlyoff_> I think this is important, thanks for doing it > noah > > <trackbot> ISSUE-35 -- Syntax and semantics for embedding RDF > in XHTML -- open > > <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/35 > > [18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/35 > > <noah> RDFinXHTML-35 > > Noah: I think it's important going through these. > ... even though it's somewhat boring to do our due diligence > and set expectations. > ... I think people were pretty happy with the progress Jeni > made here. > > <noah> Propose to CLOSE this one. > > <JeniT> +1 > > <slightlyoff_> +1 > > RESOLUTION: We mark ISSUE-35 (RDFinXHTML-35) CLOSED, believing > that good answers have been developed > > <noah> ACTION: Jeni to draft text on closing of issue > RDFinXHTML-35 [recorded in > [19]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01] > > [19] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01 > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-794 - Draft text on closing of issue > RDFinXHTML-35 [on Jeni Tennison - due 2013-04-11]. > > <trackbot> ISSUE-46 -- Impact of changes to XML 1.1 on other > XML Specifications -- open > > <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/46 > > [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/46 > > PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-46 (xml11Names-46) CLOSED > because it has been dealt with. > > <slightlyoff_> +1 > > <ht> +1 > > RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-46 (xml11Names-46) CLOSED because it has > been dealt with and time has passed. > > <noah> close ISSUE-46 > > <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-46 Impact of changes to XML 1.1 on > other XML Specifications. > > <noah> close ISSUE-35 > > <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-35 Syntax and semantics for embedding > RDF in XHTML. > > <trackbot> ISSUE-47 -- WS-Addressing SOAP binding & app > protocols -- open > > <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/47 > > [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/47 > > <noah> Issue description: > > <noah> "In a nutshell, it [ > > <noah> WS-Addressing - SOAP Binding ] requires that the URI in > the "Address" component of a WS-Addressing EPR be serialized > into a wsa:To SOAP header, independent of the underlying > protocol. IMO, a Web-architecture consistent means of doing > this would be to serialize it to the Request-URI when using > SOAP with HTTP, or the "RCPT TO:" value when using SOAP with > SMTP, etc.." > > <JeniT> must have been overtaken by events, surely > > <timbl> close > > <noah> ACTION: Noah to draft text on closing of ISSUE-46 > [recorded in > [22]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02] > > [22] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02 > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-795 - Draft text on closing of > ISSUE-46 [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2013-04-11]. > > Noah: Even the WS community is not using Endpoint References. > > Noah: Even the WS community is not using Endpoint References? > > Yves: That's my understanding > > PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-47 (endPointRefs-47) CLOSED > because we cannot affect this and code has either been deployed > or is dead. > > <slightlyoff_> SGTM > > <Yves> +1 > > <JeniT> +1 > > <slightlyoff_> +1 > > RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-47 (endPointRefs-47) CLOSED because we > cannot affect this and code has either been deployed or is > dead. > > <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-47 WS-Addressing SOAP binding & app > protocols. > > Noah: Yves, can you draft text to post to the community? > > Yves: sure thing > > <trackbot> ISSUE-61 -- URI Based Access to Packaged Items -- > open > > <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/61 > > [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/61 > > <noah> Description: "The TAG opened an issue, > uriBasedPackageAccess-61 [$1\47] to consider URI based access > and reference to items within a web accessible package. In > addressing a more general problem the TAG expects to cover the > requirements of the WAF community who have requested help wrt > to their current work on widgets [$1\47] as well other > situations that involve reference within and into packaged > structures on the web." > > <JeniT> I don't know but this looks like it could still be > interesting > > Anne: SysApps is the new group that works on stuff like this, I > think > ... there's an app:// URL thingie > > <noah> I agree, I just wanted us to look because I knew that > the original issue arose from concerns about a particular > component technology that I believe is no longer moving ahead. > I agree that it's reasonable to keep the issue open. > > Tim: Certainly with a zip file you want to get bits out of it. > > Jeni: Coming from the Open Data angle is that we have really > big data files, zip them up, and still reference bits inside of > it. > > Anne: There's different use cases. One is about locally > referencing a file. The other one is referencing a file from > the outside. > > Tim: it would be nice if they could be treated consistently. > > Noah: issues track several things usually > > Anne: I think they are orthogonal, but I suspect we won't work > on it much > > <JeniT> looking at > [24]http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#zip-relative-paths > > [24] http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#zip-relative-paths > > Noah: Okay, lets keep it open, and if we later get more > information we can add it to and revisit it > > [25]http://appuri.sysapps.org/ > > [25] http://appuri.sysapps.org/ > > <JeniT> this is stuff marcosc is working on > > Tim: can you add that link to ISSUE-61 Anne? > > Anne: done > > Pending review actions > > <noah> > [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingrevie > w > > [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview > > Noah: I think these can be closed > > <slightlyoff_> +1 to closing the action > > <noah> close ACTION-741 > > <trackbot> Closed ACTION-741 Check with Norm Walsh on closing > out HTML/XML unification work. > > <noah> ACTION-782? > > <trackbot> ACTION-782 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F > discussion of polyglot, the TAG's request to HTML WG on > polygot, and HTML/XML Unification -- due 2013-03-01 -- > PENDINGREVIEW > > <trackbot> > [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/782 > > [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/782 > > <noah> close ACTION-782 > > <trackbot> Closed ACTION-782 schedule F2F discussion of > polyglot, the TAG's request to HTML WG on polygot, and HTML/XML > Unification. > > <slightlyoff_> +1 > > <noah> ACTION-785? > > <trackbot> ACTION-785 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion > of developer involvement/outreach at F2F -- due 2013-03-04 -- > PENDINGREVIEW > > <trackbot> > [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/785 > > [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/785 > > <slightlyoff_> I think this should be extended > > <slightlyoff_> can we assign marcosc? > > <slightlyoff_> hate to volunteer him > > <noah> close ACTION-785 > > <trackbot> Closed ACTION-785 schedule discussion of developer > involvement/outreach at F2F. > > <noah> ACTION: Marcos to develop new ideas for improved synergy > with and outreach to the developer community - Due: 2013-05-20 > [recorded in > [29]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03] > > [29] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03 > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-796 - Develop new ideas for improved > synergy with and outreach to the developer community - Due: > 2013-05-20 [on Marcos Caceres - due 2013-04-11]. > > <trackbot> ACTION-796 -- Marcos Caceres to develop new ideas > for improved synergy with and outreach to the developer > community -- due 2013-05-20 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> > [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/796 > > [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/796 > > <trackbot> ACTION-787 -- Alex Russell to solicit informal > discussion on HTML WG list of clarifying: polyglot doesn't > restrict html5 futures -- due 2013-02-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW > > <trackbot> > [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/787 > > [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/787 > > <slightlyoff_> it was me > > <noah> close ACTION-787 > > <trackbot> Closed ACTION-787 solicit informal discussion on > HTML WG list of clarifying: polyglot doesn't restrict html5 > futures. > > Alex: I solicited that feedback privately, no follow up > > Noah: all pending review actions are dealt with > > <noah> > [32]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort > =owner > > [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner > > <slightlyoff_> curious to know if we want to keep pursuing > [33]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27 > > [33] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27 > > Noah: overdue actions is a permathread > > <slightlyoff_> thanks > > Alex: I'm curious to know what happens to actions assigned to > outgoing TAG members > > Noah: I think it's my task to sort out these overdue actions > with outgoing TAG members and then come back to the TAG > > Noah: I propose to adjourn the call. Please keep me up to date > with requests for the meetings. That'd be very helpful. > > <noah> ADJOURNED > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: Jeni to draft text on closing of issue > RDFinXHTML-35 [recorded in > [34]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01] > [NEW] ACTION: Marcos to develop new ideas for improved synergy > with and outreach to the developer community - Due: 2013-05-20 > [recorded in > [35]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03] > [NEW] ACTION: Noah to draft text on closing of ISSUE-46 > [recorded in > [36]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02] > > [34] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01 > [35] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03 > [36] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02 > > > -- > http://annevankesteren.nl/ > >
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