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Draft TAG Teleconference Minutes 4th of April 2013

From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@annevk.nl>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:44:03 +0100
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   [1]W3C

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                               - DRAFT -

              Technical Architecture Group Teleconference

04 Apr 2013

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/04/04-agenda

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Yehuda, Jeni, Tim, Noah, Yves, Henry, Alex, Anne

   Regrets
          Marcos

   Chair
          Noah

   Scribe
          Anne

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Agenda
         2. [6]Actions
         3. [7]TAG backlog
         4. [8]Pending review actions
     * [9]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________

Agenda

   Noah: Lets go through F2F actions and then through the TAG's
   backlog
   ... For those in the backlog we may want to go through them and
   indicate whether we'll be working on them or that they should
   not expect an update.
   ... The next call will be in two weeks.

   <noah> Alex will scribe on 18 April

   <noah> No regrets for the 18th

   Noah: Another administrative item was a request for a calendar
   feed

   <noah> Calendar:
   [10]https://cal.csswg.org/public.php/tag/calendar.ics

     [10] https://cal.csswg.org/public.php/tag/calendar.ics

   Noah: this is experimental, set up by plinss
   ... I'll do the updates, you can pull out of it
   ... TAG F2F in London coming up, start thinking about travel

   <noah> Reminder, please put ACTION-XXX in subject or body of
   your emails

   Noah: beware of cross-posting ACTION- to other lists as there's
   no namespacing

   [no namespacing, how can this be!]

Actions

   JeniT: I'd like to postpone my action

   <trackbot> ACTION-790 -- Jeni Tennison to do new Editor's Draft
   of fragids spec for approval to publish as CR -- due 2013-04-16
   -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/790

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/790

   <trackbot> ACTION-791 -- Alex Russell to redraft proposed
   "status" section that TAG is suggesting for Polyglot -- due
   2013-03-27 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791

   Noah: Has discussion converged?

   Yehuda: it seems there were two points
   ... Larry thought Alex' use cases were too narrow and I had
   mentioned another use case worth mentioning
   ... It seemed people were talking past each other via email

   <ht> sorry, but I've been busy -- I'd like to review the emails
   before discussing

   Yehuda: easiest would be for Alex to reply to those emails

   <noah> OK, Henry

   Yehuda: Both Larry and I wanted to expand your wording

   Alex: Yes that works for me

   Noah: bump due date?

   Alex: yes

   <trackbot> ACTION-791 -- Alex Russell to redraft proposed
   "status" section that TAG is suggesting for Polyglot -- due
   2013-04-16 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/791

   <slightlyoff_> *finally*. Sorry 'bout that

   Noah: anything else on Polyglot?

   [silence]

   <trackbot> ACTION-793 -- Anne van Kesteren to draft disclaimer
   text for Authoritative Metadata -- due 2013-04-05 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/793

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/793

   Anne: Just updated due date, will do it tomorrow.

   [Discussing details of note formatting.]

   <noah> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect-20060412

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect-20060412

   <timbl> It is better to work in the CVS space than to have it
   at your own private site

   Noah: use a date in the URL
   ... Yehuda, any update on F2F minutes?

   Yehuda: one flight away

TAG backlog

   [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/open

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/open

   Noah: The TAG used its own issue tracking system that had
   shortnames. That explains errorHandling-20 and such.
   ... The first six or so years of the TAG it used issues to
   drive its agenda.
   ... And looked at aspects of them, e.g. error handling in HTML
   vs XML.
   ... Larry expressed frustration with this process and so we
   created product pages to have a more overarching goal of what
   we're working towards.

   <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- XML Transformation and composability
   (e.g., XSLT,XInclude, Encryption) -- open

   <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34

   Noah: Lets go through the issues and see which we can close.
   ... Processing model of XML. Is there any interest in this?

   <ht> xmlFunctions-34

   Tim: I'm happy to do things with XML. This came from when we're
   talking about XML was processed. The meaning from XML has to be
   taken outside-in. Otherwise you cannot create new XML
   specifications that interweave with what exist.
   ... Not clear people noticed that.

   <noah> I note that traceker has several status codes we can
   assign, including OPEN, PENDING, REVIEW, POSTPONED, and CLOSED.

   Tim: Henry did a lot more work on that. I don't feel we need to
   put a whole lot of energy into XML at all. JSON is the new way
   for me. It's much more straightforward.

   <noah> Suggestion: if we think this is now resolved or
   uninteresting, CLOSE it; if we think it's interesting but not
   now, then POSTPONED?

   Tim: We need another concept besides OPEN/CLOSED. Something
   like NOT WORKING ON IT.

   Noah: It has POSTPONED.

   Tim: POSTPONED expresses a feeling of guilt. But there's no
   guilt.

   Noah: It's close enough and I'm not looking forward to changing
   Tracker.

   <Zakim> ht, you wanted to add 0.02USD

   Henry: I'm happy to move this to the backburner. I think
   there's a genuine issue here and of interest to the community
   but I don't have the bandwidth.

   Noah: We need to tell ourselves a story as to what these codes
   mean.
   ... Historically we used CLOSED for "it's in pretty good
   shape".

   Henry: I'm happy with POSTPONED and it's better than CLOSED.

   <slightlyoff_> +1 for postponing

   <JeniT> +1

   RESOLUTION: We mark ISSUE-34 (xmlFunctions-34) POSTPONED

   <slightlyoff_> I think this is important, thanks for doing it
   noah

   <trackbot> ISSUE-35 -- Syntax and semantics for embedding RDF
   in XHTML -- open

   <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/35

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/35

   <noah> RDFinXHTML-35

   Noah: I think it's important going through these.
   ... even though it's somewhat boring to do our due diligence
   and set expectations.
   ... I think people were pretty happy with the progress Jeni
   made here.

   <noah> Propose to CLOSE this one.

   <JeniT> +1

   <slightlyoff_> +1

   RESOLUTION: We mark ISSUE-35 (RDFinXHTML-35) CLOSED, believing
   that good answers have been developed

   <noah> ACTION: Jeni to draft text on closing of issue
   RDFinXHTML-35 [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-794 - Draft text on closing of issue
   RDFinXHTML-35 [on Jeni Tennison - due 2013-04-11].

   <trackbot> ISSUE-46 -- Impact of changes to XML 1.1 on other
   XML Specifications -- open

   <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/46

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/46

   PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-46 (xml11Names-46) CLOSED
   because it has been dealt with.

   <slightlyoff_> +1

   <ht> +1

   RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-46 (xml11Names-46) CLOSED because it has
   been dealt with and time has passed.

   <noah> close ISSUE-46

   <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-46 Impact of changes to XML 1.1 on
   other XML Specifications.

   <noah> close ISSUE-35

   <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-35 Syntax and semantics for embedding
   RDF in XHTML.

   <trackbot> ISSUE-47 -- WS-Addressing SOAP binding & app
   protocols -- open

   <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/47

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/47

   <noah> Issue description:

   <noah> "In a nutshell, it [

   <noah> WS-Addressing - SOAP Binding ] requires that the URI in
   the "Address" component of a WS-Addressing EPR be serialized
   into a wsa:To SOAP header, independent of the underlying
   protocol. IMO, a Web-architecture consistent means of doing
   this would be to serialize it to the Request-URI when using
   SOAP with HTTP, or the "RCPT TO:" value when using SOAP with
   SMTP, etc.."

   <JeniT> must have been overtaken by events, surely

   <timbl> close

   <noah> ACTION: Noah to draft text on closing of ISSUE-46
   [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-795 - Draft text on closing of
   ISSUE-46 [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2013-04-11].

   Noah: Even the WS community is not using Endpoint References.

   Noah: Even the WS community is not using Endpoint References?

   Yves: That's my understanding

   PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-47 (endPointRefs-47) CLOSED
   because we cannot affect this and code has either been deployed
   or is dead.

   <slightlyoff_> SGTM

   <Yves> +1

   <JeniT> +1

   <slightlyoff_> +1

   RESOLUTION: Mark ISSUE-47 (endPointRefs-47) CLOSED because we
   cannot affect this and code has either been deployed or is
   dead.

   <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-47 WS-Addressing SOAP binding & app
   protocols.

   Noah: Yves, can you draft text to post to the community?

   Yves: sure thing

   <trackbot> ISSUE-61 -- URI Based Access to Packaged Items --
   open

   <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/61

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/61

   <noah> Description: "The TAG opened an issue,
   uriBasedPackageAccess-61 [$1\47] to consider URI based access
   and reference to items within a web accessible package. In
   addressing a more general problem the TAG expects to cover the
   requirements of the WAF community who have requested help wrt
   to their current work on widgets [$1\47] as well other
   situations that involve reference within and into packaged
   structures on the web."

   <JeniT> I don't know but this looks like it could still be
   interesting

   Anne: SysApps is the new group that works on stuff like this, I
   think
   ... there's an app:// URL thingie

   <noah> I agree, I just wanted us to look because I knew that
   the original issue arose from concerns about a particular
   component technology that I believe is no longer moving ahead.
   I agree that it's reasonable to keep the issue open.

   Tim: Certainly with a zip file you want to get bits out of it.

   Jeni: Coming from the Open Data angle is that we have really
   big data files, zip them up, and still reference bits inside of
   it.

   Anne: There's different use cases. One is about locally
   referencing a file. The other one is referencing a file from
   the outside.

   Tim: it would be nice if they could be treated consistently.

   Noah: issues track several things usually

   Anne: I think they are orthogonal, but I suspect we won't work
   on it much

   <JeniT> looking at
   [24]http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#zip-relative-paths

     [24] http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#zip-relative-paths

   Noah: Okay, lets keep it open, and if we later get more
   information we can add it to and revisit it

   [25]http://appuri.sysapps.org/

     [25] http://appuri.sysapps.org/

   <JeniT> this is stuff marcosc is working on

   Tim: can you add that link to ISSUE-61 Anne?

   Anne: done

Pending review actions

   <noah>
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingrevie
   w

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview

   Noah: I think these can be closed

   <slightlyoff_> +1 to closing the action

   <noah> close ACTION-741

   <trackbot> Closed ACTION-741 Check with Norm Walsh on closing
   out HTML/XML unification work.

   <noah> ACTION-782?

   <trackbot> ACTION-782 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F
   discussion of polyglot, the TAG's request to HTML WG on
   polygot, and HTML/XML Unification -- due 2013-03-01 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot>
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/782

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/782

   <noah> close ACTION-782

   <trackbot> Closed ACTION-782 schedule F2F discussion of
   polyglot, the TAG's request to HTML WG on polygot, and HTML/XML
   Unification.

   <slightlyoff_> +1

   <noah> ACTION-785?

   <trackbot> ACTION-785 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion
   of developer involvement/outreach at F2F -- due 2013-03-04 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot>
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/785

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/785

   <slightlyoff_> I think this should be extended

   <slightlyoff_> can we assign marcosc?

   <slightlyoff_> hate to volunteer him

   <noah> close ACTION-785

   <trackbot> Closed ACTION-785 schedule discussion of developer
   involvement/outreach at F2F.

   <noah> ACTION: Marcos to develop new ideas for improved synergy
   with and outreach to the developer community - Due: 2013-05-20
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03]

     [29] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-796 - Develop new ideas for improved
   synergy with and outreach to the developer community - Due:
   2013-05-20 [on Marcos Caceres - due 2013-04-11].

   <trackbot> ACTION-796 -- Marcos Caceres to develop new ideas
   for improved synergy with and outreach to the developer
   community -- due 2013-05-20 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/796

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/796

   <trackbot> ACTION-787 -- Alex Russell to solicit informal
   discussion on HTML WG list of clarifying: polyglot doesn't
   restrict html5 futures -- due 2013-02-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot>
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/787

     [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/787

   <slightlyoff_> it was me

   <noah> close ACTION-787

   <trackbot> Closed ACTION-787 solicit informal discussion on
   HTML WG list of clarifying: polyglot doesn't restrict html5
   futures.

   Alex: I solicited that feedback privately, no follow up

   Noah: all pending review actions are dealt with

   <noah>
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort
   =owner

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner

   <slightlyoff_> curious to know if we want to keep pursuing
   [33]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27

     [33] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27

   Noah: overdue actions is a permathread

   <slightlyoff_> thanks

   Alex: I'm curious to know what happens to actions assigned to
   outgoing TAG members

   Noah: I think it's my task to sort out these overdue actions
   with outgoing TAG members and then come back to the TAG

   Noah: I propose to adjourn the call. Please keep me up to date
   with requests for the meetings. That'd be very helpful.

   <noah> ADJOURNED

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Jeni to draft text on closing of issue
   RDFinXHTML-35 [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Marcos to develop new ideas for improved synergy
   with and outreach to the developer community - Due: 2013-05-20
   [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Noah to draft text on closing of ISSUE-46
   [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]

     [34] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action01
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action03
     [36] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-tagmem-minutes.html#action02


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