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Re: Moving xmlFunctions-34 forward

From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:07:21 -0500
To: "Henry S. Thompson" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
Cc: www-tag@w3.org
Message-Id: <1181578041.13326.297.camel@pav>

On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 16:59 +0100, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
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> Dan Connolly writes:
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> > On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 16:13 +0100, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
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> >> So, would the following be more likely to attract consensus:
> >> 
> >>  Change the story in the draft to include a notion of 'constrained
> >>  elaboration', during which a specified set of namespaces act as
> >>  quotation signals.
> >
> > That's counter to my intuition, which is: any namespace might
> > include quotation mechanisms, so unless you know otherwise,
> > you have to assume every element quotes/controls its children.
> 
> First, are we clear about what is meant by quotation?  I didn't make
> it clear in my original posting, I realise -- I meant, only, quotation
> _with respect to elaboration_.

Yes.

>   I'd be surprised if many languages
> will want to do that,

I might stipulate that it's rare; I don't see how that changes anything.

>  but, I guess, your intuition differs from mine,
> and I'm certainly not claiming a uniquely priviliged insight here.
> 
> Second, even supposing the worst case, in some sense, all this means
> is that almost every application will start from the elaborated
> infoset treating its _own_ namespace as a quoting signal.

I think I lost you at "every application"; there's 1 main
application we're trying to specify, no? i.e The Web.

> Examples would help. . .

Yes... hmm... I think one pressing case is the question of
whether XInclude or XPath goes first. Murray Maloney
gave a good example with disclaimers a while back...

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0127.html

I'm not sure how well that example fits...

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Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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