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Re: [httpRange-14] What is an Information Resource?

From: Mikael Nilsson <mikael@nilsson.name>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:26:50 +0100
To: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
Cc: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com, "Sean B. Palmer" <sean@miscoranda.com>, www-tag@w3.org
Message-Id: <1197973610.2299.9.camel@daneel>


On tis, 2007-12-18 at 02:16 -0800, Pat Hayes wrote:
> >On tis, 2007-12-18 at 01:58 -0800, Pat Hayes wrote:
> >>  There is no such thing, I suggest, as
> >>  a webarch:representation of an RDF graph, just as
> >>  there is no such thing as one of the number zero
> >>  or the fourth moon of Jupiter.
> >
> >
> >If I can't faithfully represent the number 0 using a message, I don't
> >know of anything I can faithfully represent.
> 
> Which is why I think the 'faithfully represent' 
> criterion is incorrect. I think it was meant to 
> capture a case like the HTML case, where what is 
> transmitted is pretty much an exact copy of the 
> resource itself, but to be generalized to cases 
> like scripted HTML, a reduced image, a webcam or 
> a clock, etc.. ; but that cases like numbers and 
> RDF graphs are in fact counterexamples which show 
> that the criterion as stated isn't in fact 
> adequate to capture the intended intuitions. 

I can't for the world see how numbers and RDF graphs can fall into the
same category. But let's stay with RDF graphs....

FWIW, an HTML page is a set of tags, organized in a tree. What makes
that different from an RDF graph? I

I'd like some of that "intuition" too :-/

/Mikael

> Certainly a number is *not* something that can be 
> rationally thought of as being at the end of an 
> HTTP protocol, or that can have operations 
> performed on it by a POST.



> 
> Pat
> 
> >/Mikael
> >
> >>
> >>  Pat
> >>
> >>  >
> >>  >/Mikael
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >>   Compare sending a numeral in some text, using some
> >>  >>  numerical convention, vs. sending an actual number. Maybe if
> >>  >>  'lossless' is the sole criterion, then numbers are IRs also, since
> >>  >>  the literal "123"^^xsd:number seems to be an encoding of the number
> >>  >>  one hundred and twenty three with perfect fidelity. But I'm betting
> >>  >>  that this isn't what was originally intended by the IR idea.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Pat
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >--
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> >>  >
> >>  >Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
> >>
> >>
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Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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