minutes TAG 8 Nov for review: namespaceDocument-8, XMLVersioning-41, etc.

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                              TAG Weekly

8 Nov 2005

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

Attendees

   Present
          DanC, Ed, Norm, [IBMCambridge], noah, Roy_Fielding,
          Dave_Orchard

   Regrets
          Tim, Henry, Vincent, DavidO

   Chair
          Ed

   Scribe
          DanC

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Administrative
         2. [6]Preparing agenda for Dec. f2f at MIT
         3. [7]namespaceDocument-8
         4. [8]authentication
         5. [9]versioning, esp. formally defining W3C's namespace
            change policy options...
         6. [10]action review
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________



Administrative

   <scribe> Scribe: DanC

   Next teleconference: propose 15 November

   <Norm> Norm: regrets for 15 November

   <noah> I will chair next week.

   regrets 15 Nov: Norm, Vincent; Ed; at risk: Tim, Dan

   RESOLUTION: to cancel 15 Nov and meet next 22 Nov, VQ to chair

   agenda comments?

   DanC: some auth stuff... and norm's ns8 stuff

   endpointrefs stuff postponed pending DO, HT's availability

   NM: without henry, endpointRefs might be tricky

   <DanC_> [12]minutes 1 Nov

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-tagmem-minutes.html

   RESOLVED to accept

   RESOLUTION: to confirm 12-14 June 2006 in Western MA meeting plans

Preparing agenda for Dec. f2f at MIT

   <DanC_> [13]Dec. F2F Agenda Items [NM to www-tag]

     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Nov/0015.html

   NM summarizes msg of Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:27:32 -0500

   <Ed> * Followup to Edinburgh discussions of versioning: we seemed to
   be off to a useful if somewhat slow start in settling terminology,
   etc., and I think there was some sense that versioning-related work
   could be a key theme for the TAG's work in the coming year or two.

   <Ed> (from Noah's email)

   <Ed> * Self-describing documents: I don't think we have an issue
   around this, but Tim at least informally seemed to feel it would be
   worth attention. I agree, and I might be convinced to do some work
   on a finding (though we'll have to set priorities relative to TAG
   commitments already made).

   <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note progress on versioning

   <Ed> * schemeProtocols-49: I owe the TAG a reworked position to be
   available within the next few weeks, allowing time for TAG members
   to read and consider before the F2F. I think a couple of hours on
   this would be worthwhile. The goal would be either to finally agree
   that there's something worth pursuing, or to formally put it aside
   for the forseeable future.

   DanC: Self-describing documents .. umm... yeah... worth some time...
   not sure how.
   ... on schemeProtocols-49 ... I should get in touch with some of the
   proponents of http: synonyms...

   NM: mms: is relevant there too

   <Ed> * Web Services and the Web: I think we're using endPointRefs-47
   as an excuse for the TAG to come up to speed on Web Services and
   perhaps to discover new issues worth pursuing. Henry's worked
   example seems useful.

   NM: perhaps "principle of least power" merits some time at the ftf
   too.

   Ed: perhaps focus more on this bit of our charter: "when setting
   future directions, help establish criteria for starting new work at
   W3C, and help W3C coordinate its work with that of other
   organizations."

   DanC: how would that be different from what we're doing now?

   Ed: e.g. mobile web... perhaps put together something on
   content/presentation before mobile web inititative publishes
   something

   DanC: I can see both sides of that, but I'm concerned about whether
   we're doing what we say we're going to do... long list of actions
   with slow progress... which things to preempt?

   NM: it occurs to me that there will [may] be some turn-over... we
   could think about what we're going to hand to the incoming folks
   ... "issue list and assignments"?

   Ed: anything else? well, that's it for now; we can add more later
   ... priorities?

   DanC: prioritize stuff based on work that gets done before the
   meeting

   Ed: hmm...

   NM: agenda seems fluid enough to let incoming writing influence it

namespaceDocument-8

   <DanC_> [14]Associating Resources with Namespaces 7 November 2005

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/

   NDW: pls excuse encoding noise... working on .htaccess
   ... am I on the right track?

   DanC: it's not so much "instead of" RDDL... we're also endorsing
   RDDL as is, right?

   NDW: right.

   <noah> Noah thinks that Norm's "We hope to: 1)... 2)... 3)..." is
   balanced on the status of RDDL.

   DanC: I'm not in a good position to review... I'll just see what I
   want to see

   Ed: I'm OK to review it.

   <scribe> ACTION: NDW to fill in section 5 of
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/
     [16] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

   <scribe> ACTION: Ed to review
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ after NDW updates
   w.r.t section 5, perhaps by 22 Nov [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/
     [18] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

   <Norm> Funny characters fixed

   DanC: status... hmm... it's in the shape of a finding... we've been
   asked for a REC... a finding is OK by me, at least for now

   NDW: let's shop it around as a finding for now

authentication

   <DanC_> [19]Web Auth: state of the art, some notes

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/auth453.html

   <noah> If you mean Microsoft Infocard, Noah is surprised that it is
   purely WS-Trust based. I thought it was a general repository and
   associated "non scary to ordinary mortals" UI for all credentials.

   [missed lots by danc]

   NDW: that was SAML

   NM: I got the impression InfoCard was more federated than just
   ws-trust
   ... sorta like web browsers mostly use http, though they can use
   other uri schemes

   DC: I got the impression ws-trust played the pivotal role
   ... I hear a workshop might be in progress

   <noah> FWIW: the Microsoft Web Page about Infocard appears to be at:
   [20]http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default
   .aspx

     [20] http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default.aspx

   Ed: perhaps we should recommend that W3C do a workshop?
   ... on web authentication

   <Roy> *shrug*

   <noah> Following up on scope of Infocard, see specifically:
   [21]http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default
   .aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnwebsrv/html/identitymetasystem.asp#ident
   itymetasy_topic9

     [21] http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnwebsrv/html/identitymetasystem.asp#identitymetasy_topic9

   DanC: I'm conflicted... I'm not sure I'll be able to go. If I could
   go, I'd like it to happen.

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to write a report on the state of the art
   authentication in the web [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

versioning, esp. formally defining W3C's namespace change policy
options...

   violet

   <Norm> ty

   <Norm> FYI: [23]http://www.horstmann.com/violet/

     [23] http://www.horstmann.com/violet/

   <Zakim> noah, you wanted to say we're not in 100% total agreement on
   the use of the term "language"

   I think stringset is what we got in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/22-diagram1.png

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/22-diagram1.png

   <Ed> noah: I think we should set down instructions on how we should
   read that diagram we had on the white board

   <Norm> brb

   DC: tx for feedback... this week and next are kinda shot, but the
   following week might work

   meanwhile... ACTION DaveO to update finding with ext/vers

   DC: I guess my target is to tell this "HTML 2 sublanguage of HTML4"
   story

   DO: ok, let's hope that folds into the finding

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to derive RDF/RDFS/OWL version of terminology
   from whiteboard [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

   <scribe> ACTION: DaveO to update finding with ext/vers [CONTINUES]
   recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

action review

   <Ed> [27]TAG actions

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/03/action-summary.html

   NM: I see my CDF review action marked done.

   RF: made a little progress on mime/respect item. ()

   <scribe> ACTION: RF to update Authoritative Metadata finding to
   include resolution of putMediaType-38 [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

   ADJOURN.

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Ed to review
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ after NDW updates
   w.r.t section 5, perhaps by 22 Nov [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
   [NEW] ACTION: NDW to fill in section 5 of
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/
     [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc
     [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/
     [32] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

   [PENDING] ACTION: DanC to derive RDF/RDFS/OWL version of terminology
   from whiteboard [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
   [PENDING] ACTION: DanC to write a report on the state of the art
   authentication in the web [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
   [PENDING] ACTION: DaveO to update finding with ext/vers [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
   [PENDING] ACTION: RF to update Authoritative Metadata finding to
   include resolution of putMediaType-38 [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc
     [34] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc
     [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc

   [End of minutes]
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