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[Agenda] 22 Sep 2003 TAG teleconf (Arch Doc, Findings)

From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: 18 Sep 2003 15:55:53 -0400
To: www-tag@w3.org
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The agenda for the 22 Sep 2003 TAG teleconf is available
as HTML [1] and as text below.

 _ Ian

[1] http://www.w3.org/2003/09/22-tag.html


                Agenda of 22 September 2003 TAG teleconference

   Nearby: [4]Teleconference details  [5]issues list ([6]handling new
   issues) [7]www-tag archive

      [4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/#remote
      [5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist
      [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Jul/0054.html
      [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/

   Note: The Chair does not expect the agenda to change after close of
   business (Boston time) Thursday of this week.

1. Administrative (15min)

    1. Roll call. NW to Chair. Regrets: SW, DO
    2. Accept the minutes of the [8]15 Sep teleconf?
    3. Accept this [9]agenda?
    4. Next meeting 29 Sep teleconf?
    5. TAG participation in Tech Plenary 2004 (1-5 March)?

      [8] http://www.w3.org/2003/09/15-tag-summary.html
      [9] http://www.w3.org/2003/09/22-tag.html

   Upcoming events:
     * 18 Sep: Next draft from NW/DO of extensibility draft finding
     * 22 Sep telcon: Review of Editors' draft of arch doc
     * 29 Sep telcon: Focus on Findings
     * 1 Oct: TR page draft of arch doc
     * 6-8 Oct ftf: arch doc review primarily, publishing expectations

  1.1 Bristol FTF Agenda

    1. Primarily focused on Arch Doc, TAG findings.
    2. 9h - 17h M, T. (Not sure for W).
    3. [10]Meeting page

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2003/10/06-tag-mtg

2. Technical (75min)

  2.1 Architecture Document

   Reference draft: [11]18 September 2003 Editor's Draft of the Arch Doc.

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/webarch-20030918/

    2.1.1 Review of actions related to Architecture Document

   Completed action items:
     * Completed action TB 2003/08/18: Bring some Vancouver ftf meeting
       photos to IJ attention (of whiteboard, re: CL action about
       illustration of two resources). Done, but IJ has not incorporated
       images in 18 Sep draft.
     * Completed action TB 2003/08/04: Write a definition of "XML-based"
       (Done; in 18 Sep Arch Doc).
     * Completed action IJ 2003/08/04: s/machine-readable/something like:
       optimized for processors, w/ defn that includes notion that it can
       be processed unattended (by a person).
     * Completed action TB and CL 2003/07/21: Propose a replacement
       sentence in section regarding advantages of text formats.
       Please confirm that this is done in 18 Sep draft.

   Open action items:
     * Action RF 2003/06/02: Rewrite section 3. From 21 July ftf meeting,
       due 18 August.
     * Action IJ 2003/06/16: Attempt to incorporate relevant bits of
       "[12]Conversations and State" into section to be produced by RF.
     * Action TBL 2003/07/14: Suggest changes to section about
       extensibility related to "when to tunnel".
     * Action CL 2003/07/21: Create an illustration of two resources, one
       designated by URI without fragment, and one designated by same URI
       with fragment...
     * Action IJ, CL 2003/07/21: Discuss and propose improved wording of
       language regarding SVG spec in bulleted list in 2.5.1.
     * Action DC 2003/07/21: Propose language for section 2.8.5 showing
       examples of freenet and other systems.

     [12] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Conversations

   The following action items were follow-up from the 22 July
   face-to-face meeting in Vancouver:
     * Identification and resources
         1. TBL 2003/08/21: Write replacement text for Moby Dick example
            in section 2.6 (on URI ambiguity). Is this done in [13]TBL's
     * Representations
         1. TB, IJ 2003/08/21: Integrate findings. What does this mean?

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/webarch/tim#URI-persistence

    2.1.2 Review of 18 Sep draft

  2.2 Findings

     * [14]11 Sep 2003 draft of Deep Linking in the WWW
          + Action TB 2003/09/15: Ask Lauren Wood to review German text
            to see if applicable.
          + Pending action IJ 2003/09/15: Take back to Comm Team
            publicity of this document.
     * [15]whenToUseGet-7: 16 September 2003 draft of [16]URIs,
       Addressability, and the use of HTTP GET and POST
          + Completed action IJ 2003/09/15: Incorporate NM comments and
            publish revision. If nobody shouts "Stop!" then we consider
            the finding accepted by the TAG.
          + Reviews? Objections?
          + Action DC 2003/09/15: Provide TAG with pointers into WS specs
            where issue of safe operations is manifest.
          + Action DO 2003/09/15: Ask WSDL WG to look at finding; ask
            them if marking operations as safe in WSDL is one of their
     * [17]contentTypeOverride-24: 9 July 2003 draft of [18]Client
       handling of MIME headers
         1. Completed action TB 2003/09/15: Draft a Note to authors of
            RFC 3023 cc'ing www-tag about concerns regarding charset
            asking about chances of getting this fixed. ([19]Done)
         2. Completed action RF 2003/09/15: Proposed substitute text in
            light of [20]previous comments on charset param. ([21]Done)
         3. [22]Comments from Philipp Hoschka about usability issues when
            user involved in error correction. Is there a new Voice spec
            out we can point to for example behavior?
         4. [23]Comments from Chris Lilley
         5. Change "MIME headers" to "server metadata" in title?
     * NW, DO 2003/09/08: Produce new draft of Extensibility/Versioning
       finding, due 18 Sep.

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/deeplinking-20030911.html
     [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#whenToUseGet-7
     [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/whenToUseGet-20030916
     [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentTypeOverride-24
     [18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect.html
     [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0042.html
     [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jul/0051.html
     [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0043.html
     [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Jul/0076.html
     [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jul/0113.html


  2.3 Findings

   See also [24]TAG findings home page.

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings/

    2.3.1 Draft findings that require more discussion

     * [25]xmlIDSemantics-32:
         1. [26]Chris Lilley draft finding.
         2. Action CL 2003/06/30: Revise this draft finding with new
            input from reviewers.
     * [27]contentPresentation-26: Action CL 2003/06/02: Make available a
       draft finding on content/presentation. From 21 July ftf meeting,
       revision due 8 August.
     * [28]metadataInURI-31: 8 July 2003 draft of "[29]The use of
       Metadata in URIs"
          + Action SW 2003/07/21: Produce a revision of this finding
            based on Vancouver ftf meeting discussion.
          + Action DO 2003/07/07: Send rationale about why WSDL WG wants
            to peek inside the URI.
          + See also [30]TB email on Apple Music Store and use of URI
            schemes instead of headers
          + See comments from [31]Mark Nottingham and [32]followup from
            Noah M.
     * [33]abstractComponentRefs-37
          + Action DO 2003/06/23: Point Jonathan Marsh at options. Ask
            them for their analysis.

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#xmlIDSemantics-32
     [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/xmlIDSemantics-32.html
     [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentPresentation-26
     [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#metadataInURI-31
     [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/metaDataInURI-31
     [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Apr/0151.html
     [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Aug/0048.html
     [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Aug/0055.html
     [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#abstractComponentRefs-37

    2.3.2 Expected new findings

    1. [34]contentPresentation-26: Action CL (and IJ from ftf meeting)
       2003/06/02: Make available a draft finding on
       content/presentation. From 21 July ftf meeting, revision due 8
    2. Action IJ 2003/06/09: Turn [35]TB apple story into a finding.

     [34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentPresentation-26
     [35] http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/04/30/AppleWA

  2.4 Issues

   The TAG does not expect to discuss these issues at this meeting.

    2.4.1 Identifiers ([36]URIEquivalence-15 , [37]IRIEverywhere-27)

     [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#URIEquivalence-15
     [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#IRIEverywhere-27

     * [38]URIEquivalence-15
          + SW proposal: Track RFC2396bis where [39]Tim Bray text has
            been integrated. Comment within the IETF process. Move this
            issue to pending state.
     * [40]IRIEverywhere-27
          + Action CL 2003/04/07: Revised position statement on use of
          + Action TBL 2003/04/28: Explain how existing specifications
            that handle IRIs are inconsistent. [41]TBL draft not yet
            available on www-tag.
          + See TB's [42]proposed step forward on IRI 27.

     [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#URIEquivalence-15
     [39] http://www.textuality.com/tag/uri-comp-4
     [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#IRIEverywhere-27
     [41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Apr/0074.html
     [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Apr/0090.html

    2.4.2 Qnames, fragments, and media types([43]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6,
    [44]fragmentInXML-28, [45]abstractComponentRefs-37, [46]putMediaType-38)

     [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
     [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#fragmentInXML-28
     [45] http://www.w3.org/2003/07/24-tag-summary.html#abstractComponentRefs-37
     [46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#putMediaType-38

     * [47]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
          + Action DC 2003/02/06: Propose TAG response to XML Schema
            desideratum ([48]RQ-23).
     * [49]fragmentInXML-28 : Use of fragment identifiers in XML.
         1. Connection to content negotiation?
         2. Connection to opacity of URIs?
         3. No actions associated / no owner.
     * [50]abstractComponentRefs-37(discussed [51]above).
     * [52]putMediaType-38

     [47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
     [48] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-xmlschema-11-req-20030121/#N400183
     [49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#fragmentInXML-28
     [50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#abstractComponentRefs-37
     [51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/07/21-tag.html#findingsInProgress
     [52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#putMediaType-38

    2.4.3 New and other Issues requested for discussion.
    ([53]mixedUIXMLNamespace-33, [54]RDFinXHTML-35, [55]siteData-36 plus
    possible new issues)

     [53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
     [54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#RDFinXHTML-35
     [55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#siteData-36

   Existing Issues:
     * [56]mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
     * [57]RDFinXHTML-35
     * [58]siteData-36
          + Action TBL 2003/02/24 : Summarize siteData-36

     [56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
     [57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#RDFinXHTML-35
     [58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#siteData-36

    2.4.4 Miscellaneous issues

     * [59]namespaceDocument-8
          + Action PC 2003/04/07: Prepare finding to answer this issue,
            pointing to the RDDL Note. See [60]comments from Paul
            regarding TB theses. From 21 July ftf meeting, due 31 August.
          + Action PC 2003/09/08: Providing WebArch text as well for this
          + Action TB 2003/09/15: Add "Hello World" example to next draft
            of RDDL Spec (i.e., to edited version of [61]RDDL draft 4).
          + Action TB 2003/09/15: Produce schemaware for RDDL spec once
            TAG has consensus on the syntax.
          + Completed action SW 2003/09/16: Ping PC on the status of his
            actions ([62]Done)
          + Refer to draft TAG [63]opinion from Tim Bray on the use of
            URNs for namespace names.
     * [64]uriMediaType-9
          + IANA appears to have responded to the spirit of this draft
            (see [65]email from Chris Lilley).What's required to close
            this issue?
          + Action CL 2003/05/05: Propose CL's three changes to
            registration process to Ned Freed. [What forum?]
     * [66]HTTPSubstrate-16
          + Action RF 2003/02/06: Write a response to IESG asking whether
            the Web services example in the SOAP 1.2 primer is intended
            to be excluded from RFC 3205
          + See [67]message from Larry Masinter w.r.t. Web services.
     * [68]xlinkScope-23
          + See [69]draft, and [70]SW message to CG chairs.
          + Action CL 2003/06/30: Ping the chairs of those groups asking
            for an update on xlinkScope-23.
     * [71]binaryXML-30
          + Action TB 2003/02/17: Write to www-tag with his thoughts on
            adding to survey.
          + Action IJ 2003/07/21: Add link from issues list binaryXML-30
            to upcoming workshop
          + Next steps to finding? See [72]summary from Chris.
     * [73]xmlFunctions-34
          + Action TBL 2003/02/06: State the issue with a reference to
            XML Core work. See [74]email from TimBL capturing some of the
     * [75]charmodReview-17
         1. Action SW 2003/09/08: Follow up with I18N folks on status of
            TAG's charmod comments.
         2. [76]Mail from DC to I18N WG in light of new Charmod draft
     * [77]rdfURIMeaning-39

     [59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/07/21-tag#namespaceDocument-8
     [60] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Apr/0046.html
     [61] http://www.tbray.org/tag/rddl4.html
     [62] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Sep/0045.html
     [63] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jun/0003.html
     [64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#uriMediaType-9
     [65] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0302.html
     [66] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#HTTPSubstrate-16
     [67] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0208.html
     [68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#xlinkScope-23
     [69] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Mar/0094.html
     [70] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Mar/0104
     [71] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#binaryXML-30
     [72] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0224.html
     [73] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#xmlFunctions-34
     [74] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0309.html
     [75] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#charmodReview-17
     [76] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Sep/0019.html
     [77] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#rdfURIMeaning-39

3. Other actions

     * Action IJ 2003/02/06: Modify issues list to show that
       actions/pending are orthogonal to decisions. PLH has put the
       issues list in production; see the [78]DOM issues list.

     [78] http://www.w3.org/2003/06/09-dom-core-issues/issues.html


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