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Re: SVG pathSegList Deprecated via Chrome's version 48 TODAY!

From: Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:25:52 -0500
Message-ID: <CAFm2N+vZK7kJyrnujnab04+q9GMimZSTKZBffZyeX=oe1zZ4NA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Philip Rogers <pdr@google.com>
Cc: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>
Hi Philip,

It seems to me that the SVG2 updates via Chrome will take a few years to
complete. Chrome and developers will need a specific location to announce
and communicate. The best place for this to occur would be at
http://www.chromium.org/developers/discussion-groups
Merely include the group : Chromium-SVG.
Even following the SVG2 process, this could endure for any future SVG
changes. Believe me, the word will get out that any/all discussions for
Chrome's SVG will happen here. This should make the SVG transitions a
seamless and positive process for Chrome, allowing developers to appreciate
and understand Chrome's strategies relative to SVG.

Regards,
Francis

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com> wrote:

> The issue with the path generated via D3 seems to be on my side of the
> fence, so no followup needed.
>
> As to the Chrome SVG developer notifications for upcoming SVG2
> upgrades...Let me think on it a bit, and will get back to you.
>
> ( I can't understand how I missed the console warning...I practically live
> inside the console.log)
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Philip Rogers <pdr@google.com> wrote:
>
>> Francis,
>>
>> Please go ahead and create an issue on the github project for svgpathseg
>> about the interaction with d3. If you can include a specific example that
>> would be great.
>>
>> For notifying developers about SVG changes in Chrome... can you suggest
>> specifics for how could do better? For this change, we had many large
>> mailing list threads, a spec change and discussion on www-svg, developer
>> outreach to every site we could find (including directly committing patches
>> to fix svg-edit), and a warning message in the console for every user using
>> SVGPathSeg.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Philip,
>>> RE: your pathseg.js
>>>
>>> I use D3 quite a lot. Your polyfill may be stepping on some of its
>>> calculations relating to PATHSEG_CURVETO_CUBIC_SMOOTH_ABS,
>>> per d3.svg.line().interpolate("basis"): This builds the path's "d"
>>> attribute for the cubic "C" value.
>>>
>>> The particular app requires about 12-14 decimal places for each point.
>>> Is is possible your number handling may impact that?
>>>
>>> Where would be the best forum for us to discuss this further? I plan to
>>> create a few more tests and provide documentation to support my findings.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Francis
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW, I've tested your polyfill packet, and so far, looks good,
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Philip,
>>>>> I totally support upgrading SVG API's to SVG2. However, it can be
>>>>> handled as a very positive process by Chrome, rather than by shocking
>>>>> developers via a piecemeal approach as has happened with pathSeg. I'm
>>>>> suggesting a more formal presentation by Chrome addressing SVG's upgrades
>>>>> as a whole. You will find SVG developers will enthusiastically jump on
>>>>> board and help make it a seamless and enjoyable happening, celebrating
>>>>> Chrome, rather than berating it.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Francis
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Philip Rogers <pdr@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [-list]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Francis,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm Philip, one of the folks behind removing this from Chrome. I'm
>>>>>> sorry to hear this broke your pages. You may be able to use the polyfill I
>>>>>> wrote at https://github.com/progers/pathseg. Other folks have found
>>>>>> this to be a drop-in replacement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Initially it was somewhat of a challenge 15 years ago to wrap my
>>>>>>> head around building SVG paths via pathSegList  and its methods. I
>>>>>>> persevered, and thereby have about 200 files within various apps online
>>>>>>> that use this feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe Google has seriously jumped the gun in dumping this
>>>>>>> feature with no warning to developers. It will take quite a few
>>>>>>> hours/days/weeks to fix my pages to run in Chrome. In the meantime about
>>>>>>> 50% of my users will crash when getting into the SVG path.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm hoping for a bit of feedback to the Chrome folks to reconsider
>>>>>>> this, and a rollback to support of SVG's pathSegList. HELP!
>>>>>>> See the following:
>>>>>>>  https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=539385
>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=568735
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards & Thanks,
>>>>>>> Francis Hemsher
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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