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Re: should we remove the kerning property in favour of font-kerning?

From: Rik Cabanier <cabanier@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:54:09 +0200
Message-ID: <CAGN7qDBbvu8-UCfNUDFECYBUocfw4bqiz5cX6VrvkYziFUT-pQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jeremie Patonnier <jeremie.patonnier@gmail.com>
Cc: David Dailey <ddailey@zoominternet.net>, Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>, Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>, John Daggett <jdaggett@mozilla.com>, Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com>, Nikolas Zimmermann <zimmermann@kde.org>, SVG public list <www-svg@w3.org>
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Jeremie Patonnier <
jeremie.patonnier@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> 2012/5/31 David Dailey <ddailey@zoominternet.net>
>
>> Losing the ability to do character by character kerning, which apparently
>> is included in the proposal to deprecate would represent a step backward
>> for authors abilities to mimic effects used in advertising and logos and,
>> accordingly, for accessibility, by forcing authors to use bitmaps instead
>> of fonts to convey stylistic effects such as in
>> http://cs.sru.edu/~ddailey/svg/GeometricAccessibility.html
>>
>
> As an author I'm not eager to keep the kerning property. Most of the time,
> to achieve the effect you are talking about, I use regular path instead of
> true glyph (with a "title" or "desc" for accessibility concerne). In the
> case I must use true glyph, I relay on positioned "tspan" to mimic kerning
> effect, so IMO dropping the kerning property is a no brainer.
>
> If the kerning property (and SVG fonts) were widely supported in browsers
> that would be another story, but the current state of implementation make
> authors already looking for alternative ways to achieve the effects they
> want. Generally speaking, dealing with text in SVG is a PITA so it's not
> that unusual to relay on "foreignObject" + HTML to handle text in SVG Web
> content... and with HTML we can use CSS. So having CSS Text features on SVG
> is, IMO, an improvement for authors.
>
> It's not related but the day we will have some kind of HTML like text flow
> in SVG it will make web authors life happier :)
>
>
At the last F2F, there was a discussion to allow regular <p> elements in
SVG which would certainly satisfy that request.
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