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Re: dilemma of cache: two types of image

From: Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:21:50 +0100
Cc: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <5F55984B-9B41-443F-A8CC-2834B2A96594@btinternet.com>
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Doug,

it might be helpful if graphic designers with UI experience were  
invited to participate.
I would hope some already do.

regards


Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd@btinternet.com
http://www.openicon.org/

+44 (0) 20 7978 1764


if not, rather than filling this thread with off-topic comments,  
perhaps you could invite some?


On 29 Jul 2008, at 11:05, Doug Schepers wrote:

>
> Hi, Jonathan-
>
> Oops, and one more thing... as a developer, I suggest that you not  
> ask developers these questions.  Developers are notoriously bad at  
> UI design.  Ask a graphics designer with experience in UI work.  Put  
> together a bunch of options, and try them out on a selection of  
> users. Ask them what they think the symbol means, and don't ask  
> leading questions, or you'll skew your results.
>
> Regards-
> -Doug
>
> Doug Schepers wrote (on 7/29/08 4:25 AM):
>> Hi, Jonathan-
>> Jonathan Chetwynd wrote (on 7/29/08 3:59 AM):
>>>
>>> I am seeking suggestions from the SVGWG as to possible ways to  
>>> graphically differentiate between feed icons and static icons.
>>> it doesn't have to be mandated, required or enforced.
>>>
>>> underline and colour were used with some success for html.
>> As you know, this list is not intended for development advice,  
>> though... please use the SVG-Developers list for that.
>> But as a developer, I would suggest that you create a custom cursor  
>> or flyover icon, something that suggests a temporal component, but  
>> can be paired with a corresponding static symbol.  It would likely  
>> have to be something that is not already overused, and it would be  
>> best if it were fairly universal (though that's tough, so you might  
>> need to meet the expectations of your target audience).  The symbol  
>> itself should not rely on animation, though it could incorporate it.
>> An hourglass is out, as that is used for "wait".  Similar for a  
>> clock. Neither of them have a static equivalent, either.
>> Maybe the static image could be a little person icon standing  
>> straight up, while the feed icon could be a man in a running stance  
>> (maybe with animation).
>> Alternately, you could simply repurpose the existing feed icon [1]  
>> for those images that are "live", and have no icon for the static  
>> ones. This would have the advantage of using a well-known symbol.   
>> If you go this route, I'd mark it persistently, not just for  
>> mouseovers.
>> It would be interesting to work up some RDF to give information on  
>> how frequently it is updated, under what conditions, etc., and  
>> supply that info on mouseover.
>> [1] http://www.feedicons.com/
>> Regards-
>> -Doug Schepers
>> W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
>
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