From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:39:27 +0100

Message-ID: <0807406.20071129233927@w3.org>

To: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>

Cc: www-svg@w3.org

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:39:27 +0100

Message-ID: <0807406.20071129233927@w3.org>

To: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>

Cc: www-svg@w3.org

On Wednesday, November 21, 2007, 11:51:36 AM, Karl wrote: KD> For Information KD> The trouble with matrix multiplication KD> 2007-11-19 KD> is that it?s not commutative. That means that when the SVG spec says KD> in the documentation for the multiply method in the SVGMatrix DOM KD> ?this matrix is post-multiplied by another matrix? it really does KD> matter which way round you do the multiplication of the two matrices. Yes, it does matter (scale and then shift is not the same as shift and then scale). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication However, I don't read the commenter as complaining, but praising the SVG spec for specifying which way round the multiplication goes. That is why instead of saying just "multiplied" we say "pre-multiplied" or "post-multiplied" as appropriate. KD> In the call «A.multiply(B)», A is this and should be post-multiplied KD> by B. In the usual mathematical convention the result should be AB. KD> Safari computes BA, Firefox computes AB. Oopsy. I find it surprising that the Safari DOM call does pre-multiply; they seem to have the rest of the transformations correct when SVG code has nested transformations. However its listed as a known bug http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16062 The comments on that bug indicate that the issue arose because of two mathematical notations for writing matrices - row vectors and column vectors. They seem to have worked out what went wrong and what to change so that the library they are using gets called correctly. KD> -- The trouble with matrix multiplication « code monk KD> KD> http://drj11.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-matrix-multiplication/ KD> Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:50:19 GMT -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org Interaction Domain Leader Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CGReceived on Thursday, 29 November 2007 22:39:36 GMT

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