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Re: SVG12: Vendor-specific presentation attributes

From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:37:07 +0200
Message-ID: <1442055327.20060406153707@w3.org>
To: www-svg@w3.org
Cc: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>

Hello www-svg,

> My issue is concerned with requirements for vendor-defined features,

You asked, however, about vendor-defined properties and vendor-defined
presentation attributes. Therefore, that is what we responded about.

>  not with requirements for author-defined features.

Something in the content - you gave several examples - is in CSS terms
from the author. It is not from the user agent and it is not from the
user; it is from the author. Given that your question was about
presentation attributes, and their corresponding properties as defined
in the specification, that is why we used these terms with their regular
CSS-defined meanings

> It is not clear to me why
> the Working Group would insist on obfuscating the issue

Please calm down. "insist on obfuscating" is needlessly confrontational.
You could assume good faith, as we do with your comments.

>  I've raised by
> continued discussion of what authors can or cannot define. What authors
> can or cannot define is irrelevant to the issue I've raised.

Very well.

Please define your issue clearly and concisely, ideally in a different
thread and with an accurate subject line.

> I explained this issue in detail and proposed changes that would
> address my concern.

In general, you correctly complain if the specification does not use
the correct terms, or use defined terms. Likewise, we can only discuss
your issues if you use the correct terms in accordance with their

If you phrase your question in terms of vendor defined presentation
attributes (see subject line), that is what we will answer about. If you
talk of vendor-defined properties, then again that is what we will
discuss. If you are talking of the sources of formatting information,
which are (per CSS2) author, user, and user-agent style-sheets then we
will couch our answer in those terms using those definitions.

Your explanation was insufficiently detailed, used terms incorrectly,
and was vague on several points; we requested clarification on those
points and you refused to answer. However, rather than assuming that you
are deliberately obfuscating the issue, we invite you to raise whatever
your actual issue is with vendor-defined features.

 Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@w3.org
 Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
 W3C Graphics Activity Lead
 Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
Received on Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:37:12 UTC

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