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Re: Home for viewport-related issues

From: David Bokan <bokan@google.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 17:57:35 -0400
Message-ID: <CANMmsAt9qEOCEF21W1bSHcbrVL8Hj-h9gnzRV2gSqwpM2yuTGQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Simon Pieters <simon@bocoup.com>
Cc: Yoav Weiss <yoav@yoav.ws>, Simon Fraser <smfr@me.com>, www-style list <www-style@w3.org>, Botond Ballo <bballo@mozilla.com>
Thank you Simon, that all sounds good to me. In that case, I think we can
just use the CSSWG drafts <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts> repo for
issue tracking. I'll try to start submitting changes directly there when I
get some time.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 7:40 PM Simon Pieters <simon@bocoup.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Yoav.
>
> I'm not editing this spec anymore.
>
> Nevertheless, I agree that it needs to define what uses which viewport.
>
> The cssom-view spec, last I checked, needs work to better reflect
> implemented reality. I would suggest iterating in the spec itself until it
> closely resembles implementations in browsers as proven by a comprehensive
> test suite. Then you can start to talk about levels of the spec, imo.
>
> --
> Simon Pieters
> https://bocoup.com/
>
> Den ons 20 mars 2019 20:44Yoav Weiss <yoav@yoav.ws> skrev:
>
>> Adding Simon Pieters more up-to-date email address.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 7:53 PM David Bokan <bokan@chromium.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for the delayed response - this somehow missed my inbox.
>>>
>>> Agree that we should specify explicitly what coordinate space each
>>> relevant API is in. And great to hear VisualViewport is coming to Safari
>>> :). I don't think anyone is actively working on @viewport any more and the
>>> prevailing opinion in Chromium is it would hurt loading performance so it
>>> would be out of scope. There's some useful spec text in device-adaptation
>>> related to viewport meta though which might be useful to formalize.
>>>
>>> +simonp@opera.com, who is the CSSOM View editor, for thoughts. Do you
>>> agree this makes sense to go into CSSOM View? If so, should we just patch
>>> it into the latest draft or a level 2? Or do you think it'd make sense to
>>> iterate on it in a separate repo and merge it in when it's closer to a
>>> complete spec?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 7:54 PM Simon Fraser <smfr@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:44 AM, David Bokan <bokan@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi www-style,
>>>>
>>>> I've collected some viewport-related interop research in an explainer I
>>>> wrote a while back[1]. This doc tracked issues like how we decide what page
>>>> scale to load a page at, how position: fixed elements and overflow: hidden
>>>> work in the presence of pinch-zoom, etc.
>>>>
>>>> bballo@mozilla.com has been working on squashing some of these interop
>>>> issues and so far we've been using my GitHub as a place to collect issues
>>>> and discussion. I think it'd be beneficial to move the discussion into a
>>>> more official+public place, perhaps a WICG GitHub repo. I was wondering if
>>>> anyone had thoughts on where this might belong or if there's an existing
>>>> spec/repo viewport work might fit well into.
>>>>
>>>> I think these kind of issues are closely aligned with the
>>>> device-adaptation spec [2]. There's also the question of the visualViewport
>>>> API spec [3]. This is currently a WICG draft but I believe others are now
>>>> implementing it so we could probably start moving it out of "incubation".
>>>> That's also closely related to these discussions.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://github.com/bokand/bokand.github.io/blob/master/web_viewports_explainer.md
>>>> [2] https://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt-1/
>>>> [3] https://wicg.github.io/visual-viewport/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be great to have a spec for viewports (basically covering the
>>>> stuff the explainer[1] talks about). That spec also needs to define what
>>>> coordinate systems are used for ALL THE THINGS (events,
>>>> getBoundingClientRect etc etc), as well as talking about what triggers the
>>>> firing of scroll events. This spec feels related to CSS OM View, so I'm not
>>>> sure if it would go into a level 2 of that spec, be its own spec.
>>>>
>>>> WebKIt has recently enabled the Visual Viewport API by default, so we
>>>> support that proposal.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we're as keen on the CSS @viewport rule.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
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