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Re: [svg2] request for review of new SVG properties

From: Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:40:25 -0700
To: Simon Sapin <simon.sapin@kozea.fr>
CC: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Sebastian Zartner <sebastianzartner@gmail.com>, Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <DF85E3E1-A823-4BEE-A51D-729D7853C427@adobe.com>

On Sep 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Simon Sapin <simon.sapin@kozea.fr> wrote:

> Le 13/09/2012 08:30, Tab Atkins Jr. a écrit :
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Sebastian Zartner
>> <sebastianzartner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dirk is right. The CSS specs should be changed to clearly specify that
>>> IRIs are allowed. There were already other discussions about this
>>> [1][2].
>>> A quick test (using one in "background-image") showed that all major
>>> browsers (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari) already support IRIs. So
>>> I suggest you replace the <url> definition by <iri> throughout the
>>> specs and give a clear definition of what it implies.
>> 
>> We're not going to change the name, because <iri> is a stupid name
>> that nobody outside some rarified standards circles ever uses.  The
>> thing that you use for links is called a URL in common and most
>> technical parlance.
>> 
>> I have no problem with clarifying the definition if necessary,
>> particular if it's merely to reflect current implementations.
> 
> I think that Dirk was not asking to rename <uri> to <iri>, but only 
> clarify the definition and make <uri> accept IRIs, not just ASCII URIs. 
> With that, it becomes the same as <funciri> SVG and they can be unified.
That is correct. I am fine with replacing <funciri> with <url> and just want to state that the definition of <url> should be updated to support IRI in general.

I won't be able to attend the next meeting. I would like to have it clarified in one place in the long term (CSS values and units?). For the moment I would be fine if the CSS WG can resolve that all affected specifications add a short sentence with clarification in the "Values" section (currently Filter Effects, CSS Masking, SVG and possibly CSS Exclusions).

Greetings,
Dirk

> 
> (The separate issue remains of deciding what unicode strings exactly CSS 
> considers a "valid IRI/URI" and what to do with the other ones, but 
> that’s for another thread, as Sebastian noted.)
> 
> -- 
> Simon Sapin
Received on Thursday, 13 September 2012 09:41:03 GMT

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