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Re: [css3-mediaqueries] tv and screen media types

From: Florian Rivoal <florianr@opera.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:58:38 +0100
To: www-style@w3.org
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:10:46 +0100, L. David Baron <dbaron@dbaron.org>  
wrote:

> On Thursday 2012-03-15 10:43 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org> wrote:
>> > In this email
>> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Nov/0238.html
>> >
>> > you indicated that you wanted to discuss the tv+screen issue further  
>> on a telcon. I wasn't able to find minutes where that was discussed.
>> >
>> > I also see agreement from Daniel Davis at Opera.
>> >
>> > It looks as if the proposal did not carry; the MQ editors draft
>> > dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-mediaqueries/
>> > says that screen and tv are mutually exclusive and the changes  
>> section does not list any changes made in response to this issue.
>> >
>> > Please confirm that you are satisfied with this outcome. (This is  
>> needed for a complete issues list so MQ can move to PR).
>>
>> I believe it was discussed at a telcon, but nothing substantive came  
>> from it.
>>
>> I'm satisfied with the current state of affairs for MQ3, but I'll be
>> reraising it for MQ4 (which I believe we want to start working on in
>> the near future).
>
> I agree that's the right path forward for level 3.
>
> In level 4 of media queries, I think we should deprecate the concept
> of mutually exclusive media types, but go through the types and make
> sure that we have media queries for the distinctions between them
> that we care about (e.g., queries about types of inputs present like
> keyboard, pointing device, or touch).

If by deprecate, you mean leave them unchanged, but warn against using  
them,
then I fully agree.

I think device types have been around for so long that we can't
reasonably change how they work or remove them. On the other hand, their
behavior is clearly inadequate to cover the variety of devices that are
becoming available, so we need to do something about that. Finer grained
feature detection through media features is definitely the way to go,
and I'll draft that into media queries level 4 as soon as I have time.

  - Florian
Received on Friday, 16 March 2012 12:59:12 GMT

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