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Re: Fixing uppercase transformations for Greek text

From: Panos Astithas <past@mozilla.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:16:50 +0200
Message-ID: <CACvVhd5M2yyRCk6Yh_oHpCsoRr5SG6m04tDRfWQZwPXbuQZ=kQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Cc: www-style@w3.org
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>wrote:

> On 01/17/2012 01:13 AM, Panos Astithas wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> a while ago there has been some brief discussion about the problem with
>> text-transform:uppercase; and font-variant:small-caps;
>> and the Greek language:
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/www-style/2011May/0602.**html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011May/0602.html>
>>
>> I was informed that this is an open issue in the current spec, but I
>> can't tell whether this has been resolved already and if
>> so, what has that resolution been:
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-**text/#text-transform<http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-transform>
>> [...]
>>
>> My question to the group is whether this corrected behavior should be
>> mandated by the spec (which would definitely delight all
>> Greek-speaking web users) and if not, whether this implementation is in
>> accordance to the current phrasing of the spec.
>>
>
> The corrected behavior is allowed by the spec, but since it isn't
> defined in Unicode's tables, it's not required. I'm happy to add
> examples to the spec, though. :)
>

Thank you for the clarification. I'd like to help with the examples, but
I'm not sure what you need. Do the testcases mentioned (or attached) in bug
307039 suffice?


> Btw, have you seen
>  http://blogs.msdn.com/b/michkap/archive/2006/08/18/706383.aspx ?
>

Yes, it was pointed out to me some time ago.

I also remember reading that one particular word retains its accent;
> I can't find the page that explained this, IIRC it was a single-letter
> word...
>

As Lea pointed out it was probably disjunctive eta, but that is merely an
extrapolation from the rule that concerns lowercase disjunctive eta. There
is no mention of this exception for uppercase disjunctive eta in official
grammar books, see the comments in the bug for references. From my
non-scientific sampling of uppercase text in books, newspapers, etc. in the
past few months, I've only encountered this exception in a small minority
of occasions.

Thanks,
Panos
Received on Thursday, 19 January 2012 08:17:40 GMT

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