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Re: Vendor Prefix solutions

From: Anselm Hannemann - Novolo Designagentur <anselm@novolo.de>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:03:48 +0100
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <elvendil@gmail.com>, "Style www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, Paul Irish <paul.irish@gmail.com>
Message-Id: <960239B2-95CC-497C-8AC3-15F17DB5C065@novolo.de>
To: Markus Ernst <derernst@gmx.ch>
Am 10.02.2012 um 09:48 schrieb Markus Ernst:

> Am 10.02.2012 09:19 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
>> I agree with all of you that vendor-prefix from our perspective is
>> fine and there's no *technical* problem.
>> 
>> However the world isn't made of responsible web developers, those are
>> rare. So the feature is being abused - to the point where vendors are
>> about to implement -webkit- support in all browsers. That's the point
>> they feel pushed to. If that happens, standards fail.
>> 
>> So the problem is "how do we stop the abuse"?
> 
> Just a sidenote from a developer: I am right now dealing with rounded corners and box shadows, thus (ab)using vendor prefixes and even fancy stuff I do not really understand that makes my corners rounded in IE8 and older.
> 
> Just as myself, many developers have not enough knowledge about the state of the art in every aspect of the evolution of web technologies to know exactly which property is at which state, and which syntax can be safely used in order to make their sites look as expected in as many UAs as possible. Trying to do it right, we google around and follow recommendations we find at Stackoverflow and such places. Thus, in order to reduce the amount of abuse, I'd suggest to create a kind of "official" collection of recommended syntaxes for the most common tasks.
> 
> I assume that most (ab)use of vendor prefixes (and fancy script-based solutions) is about:
> - rounded corners
> - box shadow
> - text shadow
> - transparency
> 
> Maybe I miss some, but I am sure there are not too many different topics here. A quasi-official page from browser vendors or the W3C on how to best do these would be highly appreciated, very helpful, and a way to reduce bad syntaxes out in the web.
> 

No, you're totally right here. It's about us, the ones who teach such stuff and write blog articles etc. who should more mention that this is "beta" stuff we're talking about and you either should know what you do when using it or either not use it.
And I like the idea of creating a knowledge base. An initial version is already here: http://html5please.us/. You can get advise here if it's safe to use or highly unrecommended.
If this database will get a bit more "responsive" (meaning more mentioning the problem of experimental techniques), I think this could be the base?

-Anselm
Received on Friday, 10 February 2012 09:04:16 GMT

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