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Re: Strawman proposal for UTR #50: Unicode Properties for Vertical Text Layout

From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:36:53 -0700
Message-ID: <4E8B9895.2020906@inkedblade.net>
To: www-style@w3.org
On 10/04/2011 08:05 AM, Eric Muller wrote:
>
> Yi: apparently, there is essentially no tradition of vertical writing.

Yi is traditionally a vertical script, so this is totally false. :)

Here are some examples of Yi, intermixed with Chinese so you can be sure
of the orientation:
   http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/scans/LoC008.png
   http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/scans/LoC011.png

The modern Yi script that is encoded in Unicode is used horizontally, and
it does appear to be derived as a rotation, not translation, of the original
vertical characters. So it would be logical to rotate it. But when I was
digging around the National Library of China I do remember concluding that
it should be translated, not rotated; probably due to the influence of
Chinese typesetting and their bias against rotation. Here is a scan showing
figure captions in vertical Yi:
   http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/scans/LoC068.png
Notice they are translated (i.e. upright), not rotated.

So unless you actually have done some research on this topic and come to a
different conclusion (please present the evidence), I would suggest you copy
CSS3 Writing Modes Appendix B.

> Hangul: It seems that in modern use, Hangul is written horizontally,
> with a Western-style typography (western punctuation, which is proportional,
> etc). Of course, there is occasional vertical writing, just like in English,
> but that's out of scope for UTR50. There was a tradition with an East-Asian
> style (vertical, etc), but the most recent evidence I have found is from
> the 1930s.

I'd wager a lot of money that Hangul does not rotate when presented
in East Asian context. Absent a lot of money, here's something apparently
printed in 1992, found via Google search in 2 minutes:
   http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/newspaper/pages/article_jpg.htm

I'm kindof annoyed that you are making random information up. If you don't
feel like doing the research, mark it as an issue for further research. Or
ask someone who knows about the topic. Or at least copy CSS3.

~fantasai
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