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Re: [css3-grid] grid-cell-stacking and grid-layer should be removed

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:51:25 -0700
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Vyg5mbhuY6Bb2E+znv4gyzinR=g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Phil Cupp <pcupp@microsoft.com>
Cc: David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com>, "www-style@w3.org CSS" <www-style@w3.org>
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Phil Cupp <pcupp@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Would anyone strongly oppose eliminating the grid-cell pseudo-element (would also imply the removal the grid-template property) from the Grid spec?  Personally I find the grid-template property (modeled after template layout) and the grid-cell pseudo-element (modeled after the template layout ::slot concept) to be elegant, but I'm having trouble defending the need for the creation of a pseudo-structure to gather and layout related elements when I only have scenarios where a real containing element seems equally elegant and semantically correct.

I would.  'grid-template' is an exceedingly useful property for
concisely and intuitively describing a page's layout.

That said, I'd be okay with *only* having named grid-cell pseudos
generated by 'grid-template', and knocking out the anonymous
grid-cells.

There are several reasons why you still want grid-cell pseudos rather
than an explicit container.  One is very recent - when you're using
Regions, you want to flow into varying numbers and shapes of columns
depending on the screen size, and adjust this via media queries.  This
works wonderfully with grid-cell pseudos, as you can just apply a
particular template to the <body> or whatever based on media queries,
and flow accordingly.

An older use-case that I came up with when we were still discussing
Template was that of blog sidebars.  Depending on screen size, I want
my blog to be 2-column or 3-column, and flow the various widget-y
things differently based on that.  I can't just make two containers
and put them atop each other in the 2-col case, either - say I have
some really important things (contact info and archives, frex) that I
want to be as high as possible in the page.  In 2-col they're the
first two things in the sidebar, but in 3-col they should each be at
the top of a column.

~TJ
Received on Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:52:13 GMT

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