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RE: [css3-text] Hanging punctuation for Roman (was script-specific functionality

From: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:34:49 -0400
To: Ambrose LI <ambrose.li@gmail.com>
CC: Alan Stearns <stearns@adobe.com>, Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <A592E245B36A8949BDB0A302B375FB4E0AB3D55A99@MAILR001.mail.lan>
> OK, if this is the case then just ignore my comments
> and see what others say.

If I can get the expected behavior from someone and all agreed with it, I can put it into the ED. Actually there are a lot of "at risk" features, which means it will be cut or deferred to future if there are no implementations during CR period. See the last paragraph of "Status of Document" of the spec[1].

> It is very misleading and wrong to state that Roman
> hanging punctuation on the right edge does not exist.

I understand this, thank you. I don't think the current Editor's Draft states this, so I don't see any needs to modify. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Regards,
Koji

[1] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/

-----Original Message-----
From: Ambrose LI [mailto:ambrose.li@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:23 PM
To: Koji Ishii
Cc: Alan Stearns; Håkon Wium Lie; www-style@w3.org
Subject: Re: [css3-text] Hanging punctuation for Roman (was script-specific functionality

2011/4/8 Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>:
> It's not CSS WG who makes the final call; it's browser vendors. My 
> point is that if a feature didn't qualify for Adobe/Microsoft to pay 
> the development cost for it, how could it qualify for two or more 
> browser vendors?
>
> We could try if you insist though. We could put it in to the spec, ask 
> browser vendors to see it, and it'll make into the final spec if two 
> or more vendors think it's important enough to pay the development 
> cost.
>
> If you want to take this way, can you please tell me the expected 
> behavior then? I don't have professional typographic knowledge for 
> Roman typography as I do for Japanese typography.
>
> I suppose it's very similar to 'allow-end' value, except that code 
> points allowed to hang is different. Is this correct? Do you know list 
> of code points allowed to hang in that case? Do you allow, for 
> instance, closing parenthesis to hang?

OK, if this is the case then just ignore my comments and see what others say.

But if we defer it to CSS4 (or later), just make it clear that its removal from CSS3 is due to cost concerns and not because it is "incorrect". This need to be made very clear: It is very misleading and wrong to state that Roman hanging punctuation on the right edge does not exist.

--
cheers,
-ambrose

my thoughts on HTML5: http://goo.gl/vhv5F + http://goo.gl/leonq (thanks and no thanks)
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