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Re: [css3-background] Curved borders intersecting backgrounds of inner boxes

From: Zack Weinberg <zweinberg@mozilla.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:04:58 -0700
To: "L. David Baron" <dbaron@dbaron.org>
Cc: W3C Emailing list for WWW Style <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20100410180458.3ae8df3e@mozilla.com>
"L. David Baron" <dbaron@dbaron.org> wrote:

> On Saturday 2010-04-10 17:14 -0700, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> > As far as I know, in the absence of border-radius, border-image, or
> > inset box-shadow it is impossible to make a nested box's background
> > overlap a containing box's border.  It seems to me that putting the
> > nested background under the containing border (and inset shadow) and
> > clipping it to the curve is always the right thing.
> 
> Well, nested boxes' backgrounds can extend way out of their
> containing element once explicit heights, negative margins, and a
> bunch of other features are used.  Clipping those boxes is what
> 'overflow: hidden' is for.

Those seem qualitatively different, somehow, though I would be hard
pressed to explain why.  Maybe just that it's pretty easy to get a bad
rendering like the one in my row two 'by accident' with border-radius,
whereas if you set a negative margin, that has to be deliberate.

> And I think once browsers fix their bugs
> with border-radius on elements with 'overflow: hidden' (such as
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459144 ) you'll get the
> behavior that you want when 'overflow' is 'hidden'.

No, I think fixing bug 459144 in Gecko would only make it match the
current Webkit behavior on my test case - in row 3, inner background
clipped to the outer curve of the outer box, still drawn on top of the
border and the box-shadow - which is still not right, aesthetically
speaking.

> Are you proposing that certain clipping happen under some conditions
> even when 'overflow' is visible?

I might be proposing that *backgrounds* (not content) be clipped to
border-radius curves even when 'overflow' is visible.  I could probably
be convinced that this is not necessary.

More importantly, though, I am proposing a change to the stacking
order, so that the border and the inset box-shadow of a box get drawn
on top of all backgrounds, borders, and shadows of all boxes that it
contains (but not the content, which remains in its own stack).

zw
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