- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:56:46 -0700
- To: www-style@w3.org
Summary:
- Closed ISSUE-108 as a non-issue
- Discussed ISSUE-107 (default ruby-position), Steve to query i18n
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009AprJun/0064.html>
- Discussed SVGWG message about css3-backgrounds, Chris to check for
necessary edits.
- CSS2.1 Issue 71 deferred to F2F
- Agreed to ask about shifting CSSWG TPAC days to Mon-Tues to avoid conflicts
====== Full minutes below ======
Attendees:
César Acebal
Bert Bos
Arron Eicholz (via IRC)
Elika Etemad
Daniel Glazman
Hĺkon Wium Lie
Chris Lilley
Peter Linss
David Singer
Steve Zilles
<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-irc
Scribe: fantasai
Agenda
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Daniel: Bert, you sent two extra items
Daniel: First one is about tpac
Daniel: Other is about F2F
Issue 108
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<glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/108
Interaction of border-image and border-radius
<fantasai> I'm reading clilley's email
<fantasai> I don't understand why it's unclear
fantasai: I don't see what's unclear here
fantasai: border-radius does not affect the border-image, but it is still used to define the clip areas for other things
<arronei> Sorry late regrets. Got pulled into a meeting. I am on IRC though
ACTION: fantasai reply to chrisL
Issue 107 (ruby-position default)
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<glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/107
Steve: He's talking about when ruby appears both above and below the text
Steve: E.g. University with kana above and English below
Steve: Our default is to put both the kana and the English above, and
that doesn't make sense
Steve: What he proposes is I think ok if I understand complex ruby correctly
fantasai: We still don't have an editor for Ruby, though
fantasai: Last editor was Paul Nelson, before that Michel Suignard
arronei: can MSFT edit Ruby ?
<arronei> possibly. I will check with sylvain
Daniel: We have Steve's opinion, need others
fantasai: can ask i18n
ACTION: Steve ask i18n for their opinion
+ChrisL
Discussion with Chris to bring him up to date on the border-radius/border-image issue
SVGWG Message About preserveAspectRatio
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<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0200.html
fantasai: I think the issue about falling back from viewbox to width/height
should be defined in SVG, it's not a CSS issue
fantasai: I don't know what to do about preserveAspectRatio
ChrisL: pAR is about negotiating between the SVG and the renderer
ChrisL: They negotiate a size and the SVG figures out how to fill that size
ChrisL: I think percentages make a lot of sense for dividing the SVG
ChrisL: Rasterization should happen after stretching
fantasai: I think for border-image you basically treat it as pAR none
ChrisL: I want to do the partitioning and scaling on the vector geometry,
and then rasterize it
fantasai: If the spec doesn't deal with images that have no intrinsic size,
then that's an issue we should address. But the details of viewbox
attributes vs width/height attributes should be in the SVG spec
<ChrisL> There needs to be a way to specify what size rendering of the svg
is desired, for the usual case where its a scalable image without
an intrinsic size
<ChrisL> fantasai, you suggested using the border box size as the size to
render the svg
fantasai: I think I should change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates"
fantasai: but other than that, you don't need to pick a size to be able to
divide the SVG image
fantasai: and when you scale and place the images, you're using regions
defined by the size of the element's border box
fantasai: that do not depend on the image
ACTION: Chris check editor's draft for any needed changes
ACTION: fantasai change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates"
<ChrisL> -o-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
<ChrisL> -icab-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
<ChrisL> -khtml-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
<ChrisL> -moz-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
<ChrisL> -webkit-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
<ChrisL> border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
Steve: Might help to come up with examples where the SVG stretches differently
CSS2.1 Issue 71
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<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0184.html
fantasai: Bert's message says that the spec is clear on how @rules should
be handled inside declaration blocks
fantasai: But the resolution was to change the spec so that they are parsed
as invalid @rules rather than as invalid tokens
fantasai: So we don't have a proposal that implements the resolution
Bert: I thought the resolution was to change @page so that the @rules must
appear at the end of the @page block
Bert: not to change 2.1
Bert: Surely we have more implementations of 2.1 than of @page
Daniel: So what do we do?
fantasai: well, we /have/ a resolution. If we want, we can reopen the issue
fantasai: but we should do that next week, not this week
F2Fs
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Daniel: There are a lot of topics on the F2F meeting agenda page
Dnaiel: It would help a lot if people sent emails to say which topics they
would like to discuss
Daniel and Peter will prepare the agenda tomorrow
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009
Daniel: We would like to prepare an agenda by the end of the week, so
please send your comments soon
Daniel: Is everyone attending all three days?
Howcome: I thought I wasn't coming, but I'm coming.
Daniel: In your emails, if you have a car let us know
Daniel: Carpool from Antibes, carpool from airport
Daniel: Bert wanted to know if everyone is staying for the visit to the library
Daniel: If you cannot come, please say
Molly, Anne, and fantasai will be staying near ERCIM
Daniel: If you did not notice, there will be a fee for attending TPAC
Daniel: If you register late it's $75
Daniel: Early it's $50/day
Daniel: So register early
Dsinger: I will want to attend both CSS and HTML5
Steve: I'm chairing a meeting on Thursday
Daniel: Do most of you prefer Mon-Tues?
Daniel: Bert, is there still time to change?
Daniel: Is everyone ok with 2 and 3 of November?
Daniel: Ok, let's try to change for 2nd and 3rd of November
Steve and Chris want to discuss the IPTV thing with dsinger
<dsinger> I'm still on IRC
Steve: It seems to be mainly China, Japan, and Korea
will get discussed next week
Meeting closed.
Received on Monday, 8 June 2009 23:57:26 UTC