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Re: Armenian numbering: findings, recommendations and request to CSS

From: Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:58:22 +0100
Message-ID: <4995C2CE.3010402@malform.no>
To: Aryeh Gregor <Simetrical+w3c@gmail.com>
CC: Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, www-style@w3.org, www-international@w3.org

Aryeh Gregor 2009-02-13 18.47:
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Leif Halvard Silli:

Some more ...

> However, if you could give an explicit use-case 

If Armenians know the order of their alphabet better than they
know their ancient numerical system, then it might be the lack of
support for alphabetic order in lists, that really hampers them.

> for this, maybe I
> would understand better.  I don't think I've ever seen list-style-type
> used for this purpose in English, even though CSS (and HTML before it)
> has fully supported it in English for a very long time.

The fact is that the list-style-types have sofar almost only been
used in lists. As user agent gets better support for generated
content and so one, one will be wanting to use it for more things.

As to what you say about what you have not seen in English etc, 
well, if you only have HTML lists in mind, perhaps. I have no 
statistics in any direction. But I think there is always a 
question: Should I use a list which, through its list-item-marker 
(including the placement of the list-item-marker), indicates 
content and/or hierarchy. Or should I use HTML headers to indicate 
the hierarchy and content.

The Amaya editor can renumber HTML headers, by directly inserting 
numbers as text into each header. Another way is to use CSS via 
generated content. The latter method is definitely a way that is 
being promoted for this usecase. But I also like the Amaya method. 
At least this shows that it is not very obvious whether the 
enumeration should belong to CSS or HTML.
leif halvard silli
Received on Friday, 13 February 2009 18:59:11 UTC

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