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Minutes and Resolutions 2009-08-26

From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:03:44 -0700
Message-ID: <4A959520.8020706@inkedblade.net>
To: www-style@w3.org
Summary:

   - Tab Atkins added as co-editor of css3-images (to work on gradients proposal)
   - RESOLVED: replaced elements clip to the border-radius curve
   - Discussed consecutive run-ins.

====== Full minutes below ======

Present:

   Tab Atkins (Invited Expert)
   Bert Bos
   Arron Eicholz
   Elika Etemad
   Sylvain Galineau
   Brad Kemper
   Anne van Kesteren (via IRC)
   Peter Linss
   David Singer
   Steve Zilles

<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-CSS-irc
Scribe: Sylvain

<bradk> Hi Tab. Welcome to the group.
<TabAtkins> Yo, bradk

Agenda / Administrative
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   plinss: Hyatt not here, skipping gradient
   plinss: same for box shadow without David Baron or Chris Lilley
   RESOLVED: Tab Atkins co-editor of CSS3 Images

Replaced Elements and border-radius
-----------------------------------

   <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0115.html
   brad: I uploaded a page re: border-radius clipping for replaced elements
   <bradk> http://www.bradclicks.com/cssplay/curved-corner-image.html
   fantasai: I updated the spec to make replaced elements clipped to the curve
   fantasai: It looks wrong if you clip to the padding or border edge when
             there's padding
   fantasai: there is no use case for replaced element to clip outside their
             content box either
   brad: I agree with fantasai's proposal
   arronei is in agreement for replaced elements
   RESOLVED: replaced elements clip to the border-radius curve

display: run-in
---------------

   <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Aug/0120.html
   <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Aug/0427.html
   issue 128: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jul/0025.html
   proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Aug/0427.html
   fantasai: We probably want approval from bz and/or dbaron before going
             anywhere with this...
   fantasai: Tab's point that run-ins should run into each other is good
   bert: this is currently defined and runs counter to the current prose...
   bert: I am ok to change it but be aware that this is a change
   bradk: any downside ?
   bert: none aside from being different from what implementations do....
   tab: I haven't come up with a case where I wouldn't want this to happen
   <Bert> <h2>first</> <!-- no content yet --> <h2>Second</> <p>text...
   plinss: if I have the run-in header-paragraph pattern and one of my sections
           has no paragraph I may still want the header with no content to not
           run into the next section
   <Bert> Counter example, where run-in into run-in makes sense:
          <dt>Term 1 <dt>Term 2 <dd>Defintion.
   bradk: could you do :before {content:"\n";}
   bert: yes, if you know what to select
   <Bert> h2 + h2:before {content: "\A"} makes the double run-in look a little
         less like a run-in....
<Zakim> +SteveZ
   <anne> Bert, if you have two definitions that would look weird though, methinks
   * anne thinks run-in is a bit weird anyway
   * sylvaing is totally unable to scribe this
   szilles and tab discuss bert's dt/dd example
   tab: an alternative is to use floats which cause a number of other problems
   howcome: I don't think the benefit of this is worth breaking interoperability
            with existing implementations
   tab: the cases we talk about here may be addressed with other solutions
   fantasai: another solution is to add another display type
   howcome: run-run-in ?

   * Bert so often runs into the problem that dt/ddd is missing a wrapping
          <di> element. :-(
   <TabAtkins> ::di, obviously
   <anne> Bert I tried getting it into HTML5 but so far without luck
   <Bert> no, ::di doesn't work, because I want to distinguish
          <di><dt>term w/o defn</di> from <di<dt>term1<dt>term 2<dd>defn</di>
   <TabAtkins> empty <dd>?
   * TabAtkins supposes that might not be right.
   <anne> Bert, not having a <dd> is non-conforming

<plinss> adjourned, didn't get critical mass to address most of the agenda topics

<anne> if people could quickly review the MQ changes that'd be cool
<anne> Bert, is anything else needed for republication of a CR when there's
        WG approval?
<anne> Bert, can we maybe publish CSS 2.1 again as well so it has the
        media_list production?
<Bert> Nothing special is needed, just a corrected document and a date from
        the webmaster.
<Bert> If we want to re-publish CSS 2.1, we can do that , too.
<Bert> (as long as we make only editorial changes, but that is indeed the
        case here.)
<anne> i guess we have to wait another week to decide on publishing CSS 2.1?
<Bert> Yes,we need a recorded WG decision.
<anne> ok, lets wait for that then
<anne> that gives people some time to study my email too, if anyone does
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