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RE: Feedback to CSS WG (was CSS WG - Pulling Back the Curtains)

From: Alan Gresley <alan@css-class.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:14:47 -0700
To: Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>
cc: www-style@w3.org
Message-ID: <20080328131447.f8d1e42eb1f8db40312f41775502f7f0.d9cd0b026c.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Boris Zbarsky wrote:


> Alan Gresley wrote:
> > Why do you often send your reply off-list to me.
> 
> Because what I have to say is not relevant to the whole list.


I only said this because 3 month ago I requested to you that some of our personal exchanges we were having were better for discussion on the list which you ignored or just replied anyway. The attribute value thread.

 
> > Firstly Daniel was supporting Paul from Microsoft. Don't you consider it worthy of the CSS WG knowing what state IE8 is in.
> 
> I don't believe I ever said anything about this issue.  I have no idea 
> where this claim is even coming from.  If you do, please enlighten me. 
> Links to sources much appreciated.


I have already supplied this link but I will provide it again.

http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/ie-bugs.htm


Some of the bugs are incorrect parsing of valid CSS served to other browser.


> > that were never given to my comments that are now many months old.
> 
> For what it's worth, I didn't see any actual comments on the spec from 
> your corner, but perhaps they were hidden somewhere in all the other 
> things in your posts, which mostly seem to consist of praise of your 
> tests and links to said tests.  I can only assume that the working group 
> members had much the reaction I did, and David's post bears out this 
> assumption somewhat.


Some of test cases has been broken down from real world web pages. The problems that real world authors have had with their real world web pages when we have to deal with browser inconstancy. I see that you pick this up below.


> This is why I attempted to explain to you how to submit feedback such 
> that it would be clear and understandable.  Whether you do so is your 
> choice, of course.


Please look in the archives and see if I do regularly mention which spec I am referring to and the links to the specs. Also note that I do also change the subject line. I have done this twice tonight and erred once.



> > You are an implementer and you are on the CSS WG.
> 
> Please get your facts straight.  (Hint: I'm not on the CSS WG.)


Well I though you were. Their is no official list anywhere to my knowledge. We web designers must guest.


> > I represent the web design community.
> 
> Self-appointed, eh?  Or do you mean that you are one of the members of 
> said community and that your feedback should be weighed along with other 
> feedback from other members?
> 
> No one's out to ignore feedback, but basic communication skills help in 
> getting people to understand the feedback and act on it.


I agree.


> > I am talking about using CSS in a real CSS layout.
> 
> And you're the lone voice in the wilderness here, right?


I'm just the loudest at the moment. :-)


> > The CSS mass test suite does not reflect real world cases.
> 
> That's very possible, yes.  I believe this is the first time you've 
> mentioned this point, and it might be worth starting a thread dedicated 
> to it.  Possibly even on the right mailing list (hint: www-style is not 
> the best mailing list for the CSS test suite, which has its own 
> dedicated mailing list: public-css-testsuite@w3.org).
> 
> -Boris


Thank you about informing me of the correct list for the test suite. My test cases are just not aimed at web developers. Microsoft is aware of this at least judging by the 20,000 or so of hits from Redmond since Oct last year. Some of my test cases do show great inconsistency between browsers but the inconsistency I can not comment in the test case since the spec itself is ambitious. You have to compare them with other browsers, somewhat like what web developer do often. :-)


  will start a new thread on just one inconsistency. One test case at a time. I often forget that people don't have access to my head. :-)


Alan

http://css-class.com/test/
Received on Friday, 28 March 2008 20:42:09 GMT

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