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Re: Stylings only possible with Tables

From: Andrew Fedoniouk <news@terrainformatica.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:30:59 -0700
Message-ID: <000d01c7b873$f6c05c60$3501a8c0@TERRA>
To: "Spartanicus" <mk98762@gmail.com>, <www-style@w3.org>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spartanicus" <mk98762@gmail.com>
To: <www-style@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Stylings only possible with Tables

> James Elmore <James.Elmore@cox.net> wrote:
>>Problem 1. Users have asked for certain features, many of which relate to 
>>difficulty of styling and layouts and the requirement that tables be used 
>>them, even when what the users need is much more basic than tables.
> Discussion is difficult with such vague information.
> 1) Which users?
> 2) Where can we see these user requests?
> 3) What features have they asked for?
> [skipped]

All designers of blog engines where columns layout is needed.
This site http://www.w3.org/ a good example.
Load it and try to reduce dimensions of your browser
to see what I mean.

Open http://www.mozilla.org/ and try to increase font size.
Layout should follow natural size of the content to be accessible.
Floats and abs. position is not the option for people with disabilities.

We can use tables of course but
what is so special in layout of http://www.google.com that
it requres two <table> elements?

Many sites that was made after "no-tables" propaganda will
benifit if tables were used there. At least they can be readable.
Here is screensot http://www.terrainformatica.com/w3/w3c-fp.jpg
made on mobile alike screen.

It has to be mechanism that will allow to do modern layouts
using position:static only elements. This is the only way to keep
layout scalable. Positioning in CSS should be an exception -
not a rule. It is just takes too much effort to do design
of modern but yet accessible sites. Far not all people can afford
this. So lack of standards effectively prevent Internet to be

So people use tables.

Speaking about myself: it took me year to write www.blocknote.net
application to be able to use tables with understanding of how
they really work.

Andrew Fedoniouk.

Received on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 04:31:57 UTC

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