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Re: Survival of Styling with Copy and Paste

From: Andrew Fedoniouk <news@terrainformatica.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:29:50 -0800
Message-ID: <000801c75570$ed803910$0701a8c0@TERRA>
To: "Daniel Glazman" <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>
Cc: Christoph Päper <christoph.paeper@crissov.de>, "W3C CSS" <www-style@w3.org>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Glazman" <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>
To: "Andrew Fedoniouk" <news@terrainformatica.com>
Cc: "Christoph Päper" <christoph.paeper@crissov.de>; "W3C CSS"
<www-style@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Survival of Styling with Copy and Paste


|
| On 20/02/2007 21:30, Andrew Fedoniouk wrote:
|
| > So the only feasible option of inter-document copying is use of
| > pure html without any styling information. CSS (cascading) simply
| > does not work in this use case.
|
| This is false. The second feasible option is to get the computed style
| of the element copied and compared it to the initial values of all
| properties to extract minimalist inline styles that could be applied
| to the element when copied. Not that hard to implement...
|
| </Daniel>
|

Hi, Daniel :)

I wouldn't be so categorical on this. Remember I said "meaning of 
'richtext'"?
If UA is allowed to slice-n-dice while copying original markup then this is 
a
completely different story. Changing attributes e.g. adding inline
styles, transformations, etc. are such changes.

For me html with inline styles is not anyhow different from RichText [1].
On the editor application side I don't know what to do with this inline 
stuff -
e.g. some of styles will probably be meaningfull for the user - others
needs to be cleared somehow. How?
And in context of say <htmlarea> I doubt that inline styles
have any sense at all. This is as a rule fragment editing in the context
of some established style system. Copying there stuff from other style 
system
is a source of permanent frustration. People are doing now so called
MsWordFilters (that is purely inline styling thing). I doubt that they'll
be happy of writing more of such sexy code that btw needs to
be specific for each web site.

IMO, clipboard shall contain pure content. Application-consumer
shall take care about applying styles needed for the user in the
target context.

As an example: EverNote[2] application is capable to store web content
fragments in its DB. In most (around 90%) cases we need as pure
content there as possible - user will need to read information he/she
stored in the most convenient font/styling. It would be "cauchemar"
if various pieces will use their original styling.

Andrew Fedoniouk.
http://terrainformatica.com

[1] http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa140277(office.10).aspx
[2] http://www.evernote.com/en/
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