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List-style-type: armenian in CSS 2.1 and CSS3

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:46:13 +0100
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I have updated the i18n Activity tests for list-style-type: armenian and run the test on latest Windows versions of IE, Firefox, Opera and Safari.  I'd be happy if anyone can run the test on other browsers on other platforms and report back to me (preferably with screen shots).

Three of the four browsers tested (Firefox, Opera and Safari) supported armenian rendering of list-style-type as specified as far as 9999, as specified in the CSS3 module, except that:

   1. Firefox and Opera produced only one of the two characters specified for 7000
   2. the rendering for the value armenian in all cases uses upper-case Armenian characters rather than the lower-case currently specified by the CSS3 module.

>From 10,000 onwards the results vary, but none follow the CSS3 spec. Whether this is ultimately significant is dubious in my mind, since it seems unadvisable that ordered lists will be over 9,999 items long.

Test: http://www.w3.org/International/tests/sec-list-style-type-2
Results: http://www.w3.org/International/tests/results/results-list-style-type-armenian

Can we say that armenian list style type has been implemented for CSS 2.1?

Since the wording is vague in CSS 2.1 I would argue yes from the algorithmic point of view, since the numbering works perfectly as far as 6,999 - which is a pretty long list already. 

Wrt the upper-casing, this is clearly not intended by the CSS3 spec, which groups the value 'armenian' with 'lower-armenian', and if upper-case is accepted as the default the CSS3 Lists module will need to change.  On the other hand, upper-case is already consistently implemented across at least three browser implementations, so perhaps we should accept that as a de facto standard.

I'd like to hear from representatives of the browsers on this list as to whether they intend to change their implementations.  And I'd like to hear from IE representatives whether they intend to implement armenian list style types soon, and if so what case they intend to use. I think answers to those questions will help us move forward with armenian.


Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
Received on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 08:44:24 UTC

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