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RE: List-style-type: armenian in CSS 2.1 and CSS3

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:31:44 +0100
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Cc: <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
Message-ID: <01e701c7d437$ec007050$6501a8c0@rishida>

Note that I have updated the tests to cover upper-armenian and lower-armenian.  The results were exactly the same as for armenian, meaning that upper-armenian is well supported up to 6,999, but lower-armenian is not supported properly at all.

Test: http://www.w3.org/International/tests/sec-list-style-type-2
Results: 
http://www.w3.org/International/tests/results/results-list-style-type-armenian

RI

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-i18n-core-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-i18n-core-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
> Sent: 01 August 2007 09:46
> To: www-style@w3.org
> Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org
> Subject: List-style-type: armenian in CSS 2.1 and CSS3
> 
> 
> I have updated the i18n Activity tests for list-style-type: 
> armenian and run the test on latest Windows versions of IE, 
> Firefox, Opera and Safari.  I'd be happy if anyone can run 
> the test on other browsers on other platforms and report back 
> to me (preferably with screen shots).
> 
> Three of the four browsers tested (Firefox, Opera and Safari) 
> supported armenian rendering of list-style-type as specified 
> as far as 9999, as specified in the CSS3 module, except that:
> 
>    1. Firefox and Opera produced only one of the two 
> characters specified for 7000
>    2. the rendering for the value armenian in all cases uses 
> upper-case Armenian characters rather than the lower-case 
> currently specified by the CSS3 module.
> 
> >From 10,000 onwards the results vary, but none follow the 
> CSS3 spec. Whether this is ultimately significant is dubious 
> in my mind, since it seems unadvisable that ordered lists 
> will be over 9,999 items long.
> 
> Test: http://www.w3.org/International/tests/sec-list-style-type-2
> Results: 
> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/results/results-list-sty
le-type-armenian
> 
> Can we say that armenian list style type has been implemented 
> for CSS 2.1?
> 
> Since the wording is vague in CSS 2.1 I would argue yes from 
> the algorithmic point of view, since the numbering works 
> perfectly as far as 6,999 - which is a pretty long list already. 
> 
> Wrt the upper-casing, this is clearly not intended by the 
> CSS3 spec, which groups the value 'armenian' with 
> 'lower-armenian', and if upper-case is accepted as the 
> default the CSS3 Lists module will need to change.  On the 
> other hand, upper-case is already consistently implemented 
> across at least three browser implementations, so perhaps we 
> should accept that as a de facto standard.
> 
> I'd like to hear from representatives of the browsers on this 
> list as to whether they intend to change their 
> implementations.  And I'd like to hear from IE 
> representatives whether they intend to implement armenian 
> list style types soon, and if so what case they intend to 
> use. I think answers to those questions will help us move 
> forward with armenian.
> 
> 
> RI
> 
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>  
> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
> http://www.w3.org/International/
> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
>  
> 
> 
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