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Re: [BULK] - Re: [XHTML2] Spirit of "1.1.3. XHTML 2 and Presentation" (PR#7759)

From: Paul Mitchell <paul@paul-mitchell.me.uk>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:04:01 +0000
Message-ID: <43F091D1.9070306@paul-mitchell.me.uk>
To: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>

Anne van Kesteren wrote:

>
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:51:28 +0100, Paul Mitchell  
> <paul@paul-mitchell.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>> As for <style>, supposedly this works:
>>>>>
>>>>> <?xml-stylesheet href="#xxx" type="text/css"?>
>>>>> <root>
>>>>> <foo xml:id="xxx">
>>>>> bar { background: green; }
>>>>> </foo>
>>>>> <bar>test</bar>
>>>>> </root>
>>>>
>>
>> In your example, the UA doesn't need style #foo until element id foo 
>> is  encountered, which comes after the style has been defined, not 
>> before as  in the previous example, where the style for element root 
>> is needed  before the stylesheet that defines it has materialised.
>
>
> Not really. Rendering usually starts after parsing. I can see that it  
> might give some problems for incremental parsers, but those problems 
> would  not be much different from a script inserting a style block 
> when the  parser is halfway...
>
I'm confused - perhaps we are using different words for the same thing. 
"Rendering usually starts after parsing". Which common UAs exhibit that 
behavour? If my connection is a POTS modem and I request a 100MB 
document, must I wait for the download to complete before I see 
anything? I would consider that a serious flaw. I'm prepared to wait for 
the stylesheet to fully load before rendering begins, but no longer.

I stand by my original point, which is that the original example 
(xml-stylesheet processing instruction referring to a fragment of the 
current document) is incorrect. It is incorrect because it _lies_ to the 
UA, asserting the existence of a stylesheet that cannot be proven to 
exist, something a rational UA will not tolerate.
--
Paul Mitchell
www.paul-mitchell.me.uk
Received on Monday, 13 February 2006 14:05:44 GMT

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