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Re: CSS 3 color module and deprecation of "system" colors

From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:54:02 +0200
Message-ID: <172444317.20050905205402@w3.org>
To: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>
Cc: www-style@w3.org

On Monday, September 5, 2005, 6:32:10 PM, Orion wrote:

OA> On 9/5/05, Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org> wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2005, 4:42:53 PM, Patrick wrote:
>> PHL> Apologies for cross posting, but: could anybody shed some light as to
>> PHL> why system colors have been deprecated in the CSS 3 color module?
>> PHL> http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-css3-color-20030514/#css-system
>> PHL> In my recent testing on Windows browsers, I found them to be fairly well
>> PHL> supported
>> Yes (like the X11 colors which are also well supported in HTML browsers,
>> now termed the 'SVG colors' in CSS3 color module) they are well
>> supported in practice.
>> PHL>  and would posit that they can have quite a valuable role to
>> PHL> play in creating accessible style sheets that match the user's set
>> PHL> colour scheme / preferences (e.g. if a user has set their Windows
>> PHL> environment to High Contrast, a web page can be styled to follow that
>> PHL> preference).
>> Yes, correct. Its not just on Windows, either.
>> Thinking about tests in a test suite, what would the pass criteria be?

OA> That's not a problem with the concept of system colors, nor should it
OA> be. Not all things can be tested against a static image, especially
OA> things based on the operating system or UA preferences.

I didn't mention static images (but you are right that they cannot be
used here, at least not without additional description). Which is why I
asked, what should the pass criteria be?

OA> How would one test the values sans-serif or serif for font? The answer
OA> is while you can provide examples a single image will not work.

Again, I don't recall mentioning a single image. The pass criteria need
to cover the case where there is only a single font on the system, for
example. One example of something that would not pass would be if the
sans-serif part used serif fonts AND the serif part used sans-serif ones
(thus showing that both were available). Another failure case would be
where latin text used serif or sans-serif, butnon-latin used the wrong
ones (eg Japanese using Mincho and Gothic).

The definition of 'bold' is well written in terms of testability.

 Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@w3.org
 Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
 W3C Graphics Activity Lead
 Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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