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Re: CSS is doomed (10 years per version ?!?)

From: <Kris@meridian-ds.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:02:55 -0500
To: www-style@w3.org
Message-ID: <OF32F9642E.EC7ED0B7-ON86257031.00582841-86257031.00582862@meridian-ds.com>

>By the way... no one on this list matters. Only the populace who uses
>the product does. That's why I brought in the part about the teaching
>thing. We're lousy test cases. Why, because we all know the topic too
>well. It's hard for a person to realize he's lost his audience unless
>he looks at their faces when he is talking.

We're talking about a styling language here... suggesting that people need
not be educated about something is... absurd.  Should people need to be
trained to use an interface?  No probably not... if you need much more
teaching than "This is here, that's there, have fun" then your interface
probably failed.  But this ISN'T that.  This is a styling language.
LANGUAGE!  Can you just naturally speak Korean because you can speak
english?  NO!  You gotta learn it.

Honestly, I don't think anyone appreciates the Microsoft example.  Most of
us have too much of a bias against IE (And in the web we discuss IE, not
the OS in general, not Office... IE... which has been stagnate for 4 years
and doesn't comply with accepted standards)  I understand that standards
don't mean anything to you.  You care more about the user... but the user
is sitting on the other side of IE viewing your webpage as it's rendered...
NOT digging through the HTML/CSS/XML/XSL whatever that runs it.  THAT
person is a developer, and they've opened the can of worms.  I love CSS,
but just because I understand it doesn't mean that XSL was intuitive... or
php for that matter.  I had to work at it and learn them.  CSS is no
different, and should be no different.  The end user is not a developer,
and if you truly care about the end user, you'd be supporting the idea of
IE conforming to standards, because THAT would enhance the end user's
experience.  (It would enhance the developer's experience too... not having
to box hack and such)  The world benefits from IE being standards
compliant.  The world suffers from it ignoring standards.  Why is it that
MS is trying to replace html/css/javascript... cause they want control.
The company is megalomaniacal... which is fine... but they're hurting the
end user by being that way.  And open standard that all support and embrace

a.) Enhance the user's experience

b.) foster competition (which is why MS is against it)

c.) Enhance development

d.) promote maturity of the standard and allow for quicker adoption

I'm sure these points will be disputed, but there they are.

I'm out.

Received on Friday, 1 July 2005 16:03:25 UTC

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